Sensible Discussion on Labour Leadership hopefuls MK 2

Well there’s only one response isn’t there Urm ????????????????

This forensic attention to detail and cross-examination isn’t just for the likes of Keir Starmer it seems!

From ‘the wriggler’

Perhaps he’s enjoying a Sunday fried breakfast with his wife? Life goes on.
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And all quiet on the Grandad front I notice after calling me a troll. Nice.

Anyone with an ounce of understanding as to KS and how he operates ( whether they like him or not) would hsve been surprised that he had at this stage categorically ruled out both LN and RLB ( for one thing he may well need second preference votes). However, the political understanding of many posters on here leaves much to be desired and do they are incapable of thinking that sounds odd, I’ll check it. Others just don’t care whether something is true or not.

Ug, in her original post, said: Keir Starmer has just announced he wouldn’t have RLB or Lisa Nandy on his front bench if elected!

Nothing about what he actually said and RLB's interpretation of it. It's very plainly there in black and white Keir Starmer has just announced...

Do stop wriggling

Yes it’s likely isn’t it that RLB interpreted what KS said in the worst light ( just like Urm did). They both have the motive for so doing.

MaizieD If your reading is correct, it seems RBL herself may be suffering from miscomprehension. The Guardian quotes her as saying:

'In response, Long-Bailey said: “I feel a bit sad that Keir doesn’t want us in his shadow cabinet. I know we don’t agree all the time, and our visions are probably very different, but we meet on areas of common ground, and that’s what would make us a strong shadow cabinet and I would have Keir and Lisa in my shadow cabinet.”'

Amazing, Ug that you can identify 'politico speech' when it suits but utterly believe every single word of a compulsive congenital liar..

So a quote from RLB is a credible source? Who knew?

Thanks Maizie. And Urm no one has validated your post. I’ll try and simplify the point for you

Dgs Will you take me to the park after school
Dgm I’ll decide later

Vis-a- vis

Dh’s Will you take me to the park after school
Dgm No

It’s not me who makes up what posters say but I’m sometimes at the receiving end of those that do. There’s all the difference in the world between disagreeing with what a poster says and correcting ( correctly) what they said.

But the bookies’ clear favourite declined to invite either of them into his top team. “I don’t think any of us are going to get into jostling for positions on this,” Starmer said

In response, Long-Bailey said: “I feel a bit sad that Keir doesn’t want us in his shadow cabinet.

From the Guardian.

Won’t commit = won’t have.

Politico speech so as not to alienate prospective voters! As I said, semantics.

You're past hope, Ug

Cunco said: Starmer says he won't commit to having his leadership rivals in his shadow cabinet

That in no way justifies the comment you passed on from the Heil.

I am beginning to wonder if the terms right wing and left wing are at all helpful. Is the Times automatically bad because it is 'right wing', many left wing women are furious with the guardian for the way it has handled issues relating to women, notably Cologne, and are grateful to the Times for its support of women.

I didn’t make that comment up you know - it was in yesterday’s DM on line.

Maybe it would have been wiser to check what Starmer actually said before passing on comments from the Daily Heil...

You seem to validate what I’d said Cunco
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It's c'est la vie, Cunco. Many people don't read the thread before they post. If you post a clarification you often find that someone else posts much the same thing a few posts further on. Happens all the time.

In this case your clarification was timely.

I'd acquit Ug of mischief making but see her intervention as an example of the miscomprehension and misuse of language which leads to unjustified conclusions. We see that all the time, too.

RLB however is not going to be elected
I hope your crystal ball is better than mine suziewoozie as I confidently predicted that Boris would never be PM.

Sorry Cunco I suppose I’ve been focusing on the ‘world according to Urm’ barb!

sooziewoozie I didn’t make that comment up you know - it was in yesterday’s DM on line.

Grandad do you have proof that Margaret Hodge and Margaret Beckett are in league with the rightwing press and do you have a link proving this, please?
Would you bet more than a tenner that they are?

I always thought Margaret Beckett a most reasonable woman.

Oh Urm this is getting boring now. You said he said he wouldn’t have LN and RLB in his shadow cabinet. He did not. He refused to commit to who he’d have . Do keep up and try to concentrate. The two different courses of action say different things about him.

Saying RLB is NOT going to get elected is far from reality, the Labour party’s capacity for self destruction is well proved.
As for MPs resigning they probably won’t, that’s press speculation, in that respect Labour is no different to the Tories, there is a range of opinions and there are plenty of Blairite MPs who stayed under Corbyn.

It is amazing. This thread calls for sensible discussion. I try to add clarification and it gets ignored. Maybe, c'est la vie or just internet 'discussion'. ☹️

Okay if I’m wrong I get that.

What did I say that was wrong about KS please?