Sensible Discussion on Labour Leadership hopefuls MK 2

Urm it’s your wrong information that is aimed at criticising KS that is just irritating and ridiculous quite frankly. Why should I not correct a frankly rubbish post?

And finally Grandad perhaps you’d be so good as to mansplain to me why not committing to carrying out a certain course of action is interchangeable with refusing to carry out a certain course of action. I know I’m only a little woman so can’t quite get the semantic nuances in this so would be awfully grateful for your esteemed male help ( I do however know the difference between gay and trans but hey that hardly matters)

Ah you are a true gentleman Grandad1943! Thank you. I’ve only just read your post.

suziewoozie it’s good to debate but may I say - you always seem so darned cross! Why so belligerent all the time - or is it just me who winds you up? If so, I apologise, it’s not intentional! Happy Sunday!

And Urm posted that he’d said he wouldn’t have them in his cabinet. That post of hers was wrong and probably intended to be mischief making.

Not true suziewoozie!

And do you even know what troll means?

Hahahaha * Grandad* giving Urm permission to post things that are not true. I guess you’re still smarting from our exchange. Well carry on being so ‘male’.

Yes nobody even dreamt that Jeremy Corbyn would be elected in 2015.

Much depends on the affiliate membership vote which is always not high but they are trade union activists which tend to vote in very similar thinking to each other.

And Urm posted that he’d said he wouldn’t have them in his cabinet. That post of hers was wrong and probably intended to be mischief making.

The Guardian's report about who would serve in Starmer's shadow cabinet is confusing. Starmer says he won't commit to having his leadership rivals in his shadow cabinet while Rebecca Long-Bailey takes this as a rejection. RBL and Nandy say they would have Starmer but, of course, for him to accept, it would depend on what the job on offer was and the t's & c's attached.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/15/keir-starmer-refuses-to-promise-jobs-to-labour-leadership-rivals

The Huffington Post says 30-50 MPs would resign from the Labour Party if RBL were to become leader. Who knows what would actually happen but, with RBL at 8/1 in a 3 horse race with a 1/7 favourite, it is unlikely. That said, politics is full of surprises.

Urmstongran, can I suggest that you just ignore the posts of one forum member who seems to be determined to troll you at every opportunity.

Just keep posting in your usual manner which many of us for so long just love to see.

Ni Urm I called you out on yet another example of a post that was not true.

Shadow cabinet
Front bench

“A frontbencher is either a Government minister or an Opposition shadow spokesperson. They are so-called because they occupy the front benches on either side of the Chamber when the House is in session, with other party members - backbenchers - sitting behind them.”

(Definition obtained from www.parliament.uk)

Semantics. You know what I meant suziewoozie! You just wanted to pull me up (again).

suziewoozie, I do not believe they will actually resign should Long-Bailey be elected as leader. However, it is the threat to do so, and the running to the right wing press with such stories that is the most damaging.

In doing that they could well ensure the end of this present Parliamentary Labour Party I believe.

RLB however is not going to be elected so sadly for some there will not be the almost unbearably exciting frisson brought about by resignations. The sooner this interminable contest is over the better and we have a grown up in charge.

POGS, in regard to your post @14:55 yesterday, then your guess would be as good as mine. However, in stating they would resign if Rebbeca Long-Bailey is elected as leader it has to have come from right wing MPs within the party.

In the above, and if I were a betting man, my money would be on Margret Beckett, Margret Hodge and the small group who have been in league with those two in recent times.

Hodge would certainly have the connections into the right wing press especially "the Times" where I believe this story first emerged before the "Red Tops" gave it more prominence.

Really Urm perhaps you could provide a link to that er ‘fact’. I rather thought he’d refused to say if he would have them in his shadow cabinet. That just sounds sensible not to commit himself in advance and become a hostage to fortune. Oh the world according to Urm

Keir Starmer has just announced he wouldn’t have RLB or Lisa Nandy on his front bench if elected!

I don’t agree with everything is this article ( especially towards the end);but it’s a good analysis of how the LP and some leadership contenders have got themselves into a right mess over the trans pledge

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/15/trans-rights-labour-leadership-candidates?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Call don’t sound so surprised ?

I agree suziewoozie

(Crikey!!!)

Grandad

'In regards to POGS post @11:50 today, in reality, I do not believe that more than a half dozen Labour Party MPs are involved in this threat to resign from the party should Long-Bailey be elected as leader.'
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Who are the ones you think are involved?

I repeat I am interested to know to understand why.

Call tbf towards any DPP I would say it would be impossible to come out of several years in that post without any criticism. Also it is a proper responsible grown up job in the spotlight serving the public and being publicly accountable. . Compare that with the back story of many other leading politicians.

No-one can change their origins.

It's what they achieve and what they want to do for others which should be of importance for politicians.

Mamie

'But criticising someone from a working-class background for succeeding in life through education is, in my opinion, a denial of everything that the Labour party should stand for'.
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It should be for Any Political Party. It should be for any individual. It should not be about backround, wealth, education, race nor sex but sadly it used to attack politicians from All parties.

Play the ball not the man/woman.

To be fair I haven't noted criticism levelled at Starmer for ' succeeding ' in life.

That would be disastrous as it would mean one major party and several smaller parties resulting in no cohesive or credible opposition.