The brightest and best

My son left the UK after a gap year working in India, Kyrgyzstan and the UK, he went to study in the Czech Republic for 3 years, he has stayed on after graduation and now works for Amazon out there.
He has always viewed himself as European and sees no barriers in borders when it comes to travel and work.
He keeps in touch with his lecturers from uni and helps in recruitment days etc.
The university however has given up on recruiting in the UK, it seems our young people do not want to study abroad.
Within Amazon he is one of two UK employees!!

BTW One person who has benefited from people wanting to leave the UK and live in the EU is me! ;-)

Since the referendum, there has been an increase in the number of adults wanting to learn German with a view to emigrating. They are very highly skilled people, who needed to improve their German before leaving for work already offered or to study in Germany.

I've just watched the interview with Redwood a number of times. He and Patel seem to be living on a different planet.

Redwood claims that computers and automation will increase productivity in social care settings. He doesn't appear to have any idea what he's talking about. A robot can't wipe a bottom or talk to somebody sympathetically or help somebody drink a cup of tea or …

Patel is spouting nonsense about * million economically inactive people ready to be trained to do the work EU workers are currently doing.

I agree wholeheartedly that vocational training needs a complete overhaul, but a couple of cheap headlines to appease Brexiters isn't going to do that. The UK's track record on vocational training is woeful and could have been reformed from within the EU - as other countries have done.

Chewbacca How does leaving the EU affect that? It's likely that we will need to recruit more doctors and nurses from the Indian sub-continent, especially as there will be fewer restrictions for them. The latest immigration scheme actively encourages people such as qualified medics from India.

One of the reasons that bright young people from places in India and countries in Africa study medicine is because they know it's a global passport and they'll be able to go anywhere in the world.

Leaving the EU won't stop that. If anything, it will make the situation worse.

I think Redwood's theory is that scarcity would push up wages. It won't because there isn't any extra money to pay the wages.

The most likely outcome is that a smaller number of care workers will be paid more, which will mean that there are even fewer services than there are now - and only for those who can afford them

84% of care workers in the UK are British

John Redwood is talking through his hat if he claims that employing more British workers will push up costs. Are they paid differently than EU or non-EU workers?

It would be a very unscrupulous employer who said he was paying a British care worker more per hour than a foreign worker and surely against the law.

They are all being underpaid and some are on zero hours contracts.

Chewbacca no, it is not fair at all. There was a programme on TV quite some time ago about this; I think it was about an Indian doctor who set up a consultancy to encourage young Indian doctors to come here, leaving their own hospitals deprived of doctors.
But so many of ours went to NZ, Australia and Canada.

But India already has a massive shortage of doctors and nurses for themselves growstuff. As I said upthread, they need 600,000 more doctors and 2,000,000 nurses in India just to cover the vast numbers that have already left to go and work in other countries. Is it fair that we keep on draining India of even more? Shouldn't we be training, and retaining, medical professionals here?

John Redwood has just claimed that the new rules will force employers to put up the wages of care workers. That doesn't make sense.

Central government has cut funding to local authorities, who can't afford to pay more for care workers without cutting the number employed.

In any case, there's already a shortage, but that hasn't forced wage increases, which employers could do now, if they wished or could.

Some STEM subject (and other) trainee teachers in England are in receipt of bursaries too - and there are still shortages in new trainees.

Won't leaving the EU mean that we have more medics from India? Some Indian medics, scientists and IT professionals, etc are hoping that they will have easier access to the UK after Brexit.

In Scotland Nurses and would be STEM subject Teachers are in receipt of Burseries.

But it was the Conservatives that scrapped bursaries because they said it would stop us needing health workers from other countries.

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I read about a hospital in Malawi which is run by one nurse alone.The doctors have all moved to more lucrative posts elsewhere.

Teachers too. Give them bursaries. Voila, more teachers.

No it certainly isn’t fair, we should restore bursaries for nurses asap and train here, and restore the police colleges too,
It’s ridiculous to have policemen going to Uni, it puts so many off.

India has a shortage of 600,000 doctors. And 2,000,000 nurses. Is it fair that we are draining countries of their "brightest and best" instead of having investment in training and supporting our own?

2016, not 2026 - who knows what 2026 may have instore?

But it has increased a great deal since the fraudulent referendum of 2026.

Well 2 doctors who lived in my road have gone to work in Paris and two others , one a medic and the other an architect are now in Germany. Others are in Canada, Singapore and Malaysia.

At the other end of the scale the brexit brain drain is depriving our country of the brightest and the best of our own people - those we can least afford to lose

But this has always happened varian.
I remember when nearly all newly trained doctors were leaving the country en masse because the system changed and there were no jobs for them.
15 years ago when a young friend had her baby in Sydney she said that nearly every midwife, nurse, doctor in the unit was English.

sorry, that would not post, I rewrote it and it seems to be an amalgam of both posts.
Gremlins are in the system today.

1982 - 86 emigration went down to around 164,000 pa

I know hardly anyone whose DC has gone to live permanently in an EU country. However, I find that practically every other person I meet has a DC or more than one in Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the USA.

Statistics show that since about 1980, at 200,000 emigrants, emigration went down in 1982-1986 pa then rose to a peak in about 2008 of 427,000, then declined, rising again to about 381,000 pa in autumn 2019.

Generally, it wasn't the brightest and best who have come from the former communist countries.

There are at present so many vacancies in social care that any of the "economically inactive" who wanted to do this work could easily get a job. But they don't.

Do you really want your mother or your husband or yourself to be cared for by someone who has been forced into the caring role?