Does anyone believe BJ has any intention of negotiating a Deal with EU?

You explained that really well winterwhite thank you.

I just wish someone would pin down government spokespeople in tv interviews and challenge them with comments such as yours and not let them wriggle out of giving a proper response!

Thanks for the links varian. This stupid austerity inflicted on us all by Cameron & Gideon has had catastrophic repercussions. Services have been decimated.

No wonder it’s time to ‘level up’. It’s sorely needed.

It is not looking good

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-news-live-brexit-deal-priti-patel-labour-leadership-election-latest-a9353956.html?amp

By 2020, local authorities will have faced a reduction to core funding from the Government of nearly £16 billion over the preceding decade. That means that councils will have lost 60p out of every £1 the Government had provided to spend on local services in the last eight years. Next year, 168 councils will receive no revenue support grant at all.

www.local.gov.uk/sites/default/files/documents/5.40_01_Finance%20publication_WEB_0.pdf

Yes, Urmston (at 18.06), I certainly agree about the need for a cross-party solution to the social care crisis. Thanks. Tho I think the Dilnott report was maybe the best we could get, and the cross-party agreement is needed on how to fund it. And it is needed now.

At the moment local authorities receive a grossly inadequate lump sum and when there's a crisis - road repairs, children in care, school buildings, social care - the Govt's response is to say that x council received y £mmmm in funding this year, up to them how they spend it so any complaints should be made to them, and by the way they mustn't increase the council tax beyond a tiny % and of course they can't retain the local business rates revenue. So fundamentally dishonest.

From the Brexit page in the Telegraph (behind a paywall):

“With municipal elections little more than a month away, Macron heard fisherman’s complaints that they could be shut out of British waters after the post-Brexit transition period, telling them he was “not sure” it would be possible to reach a trade deal by the end of December as the Brits were “very hard”.

After breaking a taboo in 2018 by saying he could consider reform of Europe’s Common Agricultural Policy, Macron spent much time pledging to stand firm in maintaining EU farming subsidies at current levels despite Britain leaving the bloc and blowing a €12 billion annual hole in the budget.

“We stand for an ambitious budget,” he said. “Brexit can’t happen at the expense of the Common Agricultural Policy.”

His popularity with the red top readers will depend on how long he can convince them that our woes are all down to the wicked EU.

Anyone with half a brain always knew that we could never get as good a deal outside the EU as within it.

The Daily Express will tell its readers that the nasty EU is being vindictive because they won't agree to BJ's request for a "cake and eat it" deal - and of course a fair number of their readers will swallow that as it fuels their sense of grievance.

Oh my, Urm ... who cares if he is 'popular'- how can being lazy and not 'doing detail' possibly mean that he 'can do' ...

Time is telling already - but there is nought so blind ...The EU will not be blackmailed and pushed - and his blubbering arrogant stance will cost us all very dearly. Of course the EU will suffer too- but never as much as the UK will. WTO is fraught with massive difficulties- the USA is only interested in ... the USA. The world over knows that the UK is now desperate and lonely.

Good points Davidhs.

He doesn’t do detail - how much detail does he need - social care is in crisis and will get worse with the points system should be enough but he doesn’t care. End of. It’ll never affect him and his

Yes I do. I get that he doesn’t do detail. He’s maybe lazy. I don’t know him. But he’s popular, he cheers us up with his ‘can do’ attitude. He’s identified with Joe Public about our concerns and I truly believe he will make a great PM.

Time will tell.

The biggest stumbling block is likely to be individual countries not ratifying any proposed deal. For instance Spain has issues about Fisheries and Gibraltar, they are likely to want big concessions, other countries have their own issues.

Realistically there is little chance of any complete deal in 12 months but there might be some kind of interim agreement by then. By the way, that applies to trade deals with other countries as too, the US in particular will be very difficult.

You just don’t ‘get’ BJ do you Urm ? Not at all.

It won’t happen just yet sw but honestly I bet it will going forward.

Mind you I’m a glass half full type of person!

Fig <sigh>

Cross party support ??? .Urm your leader doesn’t even allow his nodding dogs to have opinions on anything so the idea he’d want to discuss it cross party ????The truth is he doesn’t give a flying gig about social care and knows even less.

I think these care packages need cross-party discussion & agreement don’t you winterwhite? It affects us all, one way and another. It can no longer be underfunded & a political football.

Maizie d

You don't need to use silly emojis to make your point.

As I was the one to mention where Jura was quoting from do you not think I did not due diligence and read their site which says:-

WE ARE AN GENERAL BUSINESS INFORMATION-ONLY WEBSITE AND NOT AUTHORISED OR REGULATED BY THE FCA.

I know there are so many political organisations, foreign countries who hide behind what appears to be credible sources I was interested to know if Jura had any information further to the site.

I found for example some of the comments interesting:-

'You are completely right, also they don’t say how many are lost by nothing to do with Brexit. It’s become boring the doom and gloom they constantly print. To date none of there peddling has been right.'
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'Please do not post inaccurancies or lies as it only gives unionists anmmunition and defeats your intent. Michelin is listed in this list and they have ? denied they are making redundancies due to brexit. I am a remainder and a yesser and do not condone this. Have you double/triple checked before posting?'
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' Can you tell me when you started counting the job losses and business closures? Was it from the date of the referendum, the date the tories won election on promise of referendum or the date the referendum result was announced?'
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' Since Brexit was announced The amount of people unemployed as decreased through all these job losses that must’ve been more jobs created. There for brexit it was a good move to get the the country in employment.'
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' 669,855 new companies in 2018, up 4.6% on 2017
– Record-high 217,000 new London businesses
– 1 million more UK companies now compared to 2013'
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'You need to full publish the quotes from the employers and the full statistics. Because you ideology with this is INCORRECT
you cannot blame all of these job losses on Brexit. From your stats in this article Many and too many to mention have been losses due to the Influx of EU cash to reduce that industry to zero in the UK by moving it to the EU. I strongly suggest you check it all out. Oh are you receiving any form od cash from the EU to produce this as propaganda.'
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' House of Fraser lost 12,500 jobs?
How did you arrive at that?

Number of employees: 6,000 direct, 11,500 concession according to Wikipedia'
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To be fair there were plenty of comments in the opposite direction but I apologise to no-one for wanting to know the true source of where and whom information comes from.

I am not accusing neither any GN poster nor the company of being Underhanded, politically motivated, being a political organisation, I simply like to know the legitimacy of a source I am being asked to accept as factual evidence. Don't you?

Regarding care homes, the large for-profit providers came about because Mrs Thatcher didn't like local authorities 'trading with themselves' in terms of both providing the homes and financing the care.
Now austerity cuts have left local government with no money with which to pay the higher costs needed to pay care workers a respectable wage.

[Wasted of course, not hasted in last line of my previous post!]

I'm not lip smacking, POGS, I'm bloody devastated.

MaizieD Mon 24-Feb-20 17:01:16

' I find all this jubilant lip smacking at the prospect of the rapid decline of the UK very distasteful...'
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That is a statement that can be attributed to those on 'BOTH ' sides of this ruddy argument.

Ha! I think POGS is about to jump on you from a great height, jura

smallbusinessprices.co.uk/about/

No, I do not- honest answer. do you? Always happy to learn.

jura2 Mon 24-Feb-20 10:13:29

'POGS- here you are- this is where my info re Brexit job losses comes from'
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Thank you for replying and ' confirming ' I was correct in my thought as to who you were quoting from .

However my post Mon 24-Feb-20 00:01:27 asked you:-

' What do you know about ' Small Buisiness Prices ' as a company to which I believe your post of 21.58 is quoting from?'
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Do you have any knowledge who is behind ' Small Business Prices'?

I fear we will get no deal by default. BJ has lost interest now there is nothing tangible that he can 'win'. He may have teams of people working away but his leadership skills are poor and he has no appetite for detail. I think their work will dwindle away and away and fade out out with a wimper. More hasted careers.