Does anyone believe BJ has any intention of negotiating a Deal with EU?

Schrödiger's immigrant- stealing your job and at the same time being idle and sponging the system... weird- that.

Here is a square circle for you to solve. How can UK unemployed fill in the 10s of 1000s of vacancies in care homes and agriculture then- if we don't have any unemployed???

Are you going to pick fruit and veg and wipe bottoms?

I think the EU is not interested in any sort of deal with the UK that doesn't keep them in charge for years to come so, yes, I think we will have to walk away with no deal, which is what should have happened 4 years ago

And yet jura2 unemployment in the U.K. is the lowest it’s been for xx number of years so if jobs are lost because of Brexit (I’m dubious as it’s not even started yet - I think many already failing businesses have just hung stuff on the Brexit coathanger - it’s so handy right now) then overall, the U.K. workforce is growing.

Square that circle if you will.

No-one ever prevented us from stopping live transport.

Why should the EU provide free healthcare when they own citizens have to pay? With EHIC and S1, it is the UK who paid for treatment abroad, not the EU.

Fairly representative head count on Brexit & GN here again!
2 or 3 of us saying it’ll be alright, let’s all wait and see.... and a dozen or so jumping up and down, full of hyperbolic rants.

As an example, isn’t the U.K. the one wanting to end transportation of live animals which is fine with E.U. standards? I think our humane approach is better than stressed animals arriving at abattoirs.

Honestly still so much doom and gloom here on GN. So much angst and fury.

And what about the U.K. offering E.U. nationals already here the right to stay, to work and continue with healthcare? It’s the E.U. who are dragging their feet in providing reciprocal surety!

Brexit Job Loss Index: 436,296 Jobs Lost As Of 31 January 2020

The Brexit Job Loss Index is an attempt to keep track of the number of jobs lost in the UK due to Brexit.

Here are the key stats (last updated 31/01/2020):

*Total Jobs Lost: 436,296
Total Annual Wages Lost*: £12,511,660,392
Reduction in Annual Income Tax & National Insurance Receipts**: £3,747,289,625.52*

Job Losses By Region

Scotland: 30,223
Midlands: 26,318
North East: 22,324
London: 22,245
Wales 14,265
South West: 13,959
North West: 9,144
South East: 5,095
East of England: 5,027
Northern Ireland: 2,555
Gibraltar: 1,000
Southern England: 870
No specific region: 283,729

Very well said anniezzz09!

Thanks for clarifying the detail on the Canada EU deal growstuff .

At the risk of being shot down as a Guardian reader, I think this article is shocking but hardly surprising. The N Ireland border is so important in the negotiations. I am ashamed at the government's attitude.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/23/brexit-uk-reneging-on-northern-ireland-pledges-risks-trade-deals-with-us-and-eu?

And with regard to what I said earlier about those who put leaving the EU as a priority without knowing what the deal was but because they have some unsubstantiated, incorrect ideas about sovereignty - well sorry but I care about the future of this country, its international status, the future of its young people and the need to live in a world where we cooperate with others without destroying the planet. Little lone Britain run by a deluded man, the power behind the throne who believes that the civil service should be full of weirdos plus all the deterioration of standards so amply set out by Jura and others could never be something I would support as a future.

tell that to all those who have already lost their jobs due to factory and business closures due to Brexit- and to all those farmers and fishermen who now realise who badly they will be hit...and to those on trolleys in A&E due to doctor and nursing shortages, and on, and on.

For the rest, have you read my last post, just as an example, re meat safety and welfare, the NHS definitely on table despite all promises to the contrary- and now Trump's USA having a deal to replace our Trident Nuclear deterrent FFS. Is that not enough for you for starters- and it is all being planned, right now- not even the Government has been told FFFFFFFFFFFS.

Am I angry- oh yes.

That's because you live in a myopic bubble and don't have responsibility for a business with branches in the EU, you don't trade with the EU, you don't live in Northern Ireland or Gibraltar, aren't an EU national living in the UK, don't live in the EU, hadn't made plans to live in an EU country ...

WTF is all this pain for?

MaizieD we haven’t even started yet! Nothing painful that I can see or have experienced. You?

Does anyone believe BJ has any intention of negotiating a deal with EU ?

Errrr, No.

The point about the Canada/EU deal is that Canada and the EU don't do much trade and abolishing import tariffs is beneficial to both sides. There are no other conditions attached. It doesn't matter too much because Canada and EU aren't in competition with each other for the same markets. The EU doesn't want a very close competitor on its doorstep being able to undercut it with tax concessions and state aid for certain industries, which is what China does.

Oh come on, why pussy foot around. We KNOW who the real power base is. Boris is the puppet, Cummings is the puppet master.

Cummings will be telling the negotiating team what to do. If they don't do it, they'll be out, just like all the others.

Why do we play this game that pretends otherwise? We all know it. The media reports it.

It is clear that our farming standards are going to be seriously affected and the NHS is definitely on the table, despite all promises to the contrary, and today we learn this
'' The Observer

Trident

Pentagon reveals deal with Britain to replace Trident
MPs dismayed after US defence officials leak news of nuclear weapons deal before parliament is told''

and so here we are, as we predicted, at the beck and call of Trump and the USA - sends shivers down my spine.

And perhaps many Brits are so glued to their Little England bubble that they can't see further than that... in fact, take the 'perhaps' away.

Aprilrose you say that opinion on GN really isn’t what the people in the country want, say or represent ( am paraphrasing) and I agree with you 100%. I still remember the poster ( not here since the GE) who was stunned by the result and wailed that it wasn’t what she had been reading on social media ( which had Corbyn storming it.) It was because some people are so glued to their own little bubble on social media that they can’t see any further than that.

suziewoozie Sun 23-Feb-20 19:13:32

'I doubt David Frost has any autonomy at all and will do and say exactly as he’s told'
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That may well be true, I do not know how much autonomy David Frost may or may not have.

What I find peculiar is there are posters who say Boris Johnson is too thick, won't be negotiating, he couldn't care about negotiations or doing a deal yet we have a Team of negotiators under David Frost working on behalf of the UK Government to which the PM is Boris Johnson.

If David Frost does not have total autonomy the obvious answer is he is getting instruction from someone and that someone is the PM, he who some say is too thick, doesn't care about negotiating or getting a deal.

So how can the question be asked if the PM has any intention of negotiating when negotiations are taking place.?

suziewoozie Sun 23-Feb-20 18:54:20

' Well what I understand it to mean is that because we are geographical close, they wouldn’t want us to have a deal as good as they have with Canada because we’d use it more than Canada do and this would be to the detriment of the EU'
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Why would the EU doing more trade from one ' third country' to another ' third country ' mean a deal is not viable ? or deemed as being ' detrimental ' to the EU ?

If the UK as a ' third country ' bought more goods, did more trade in the EU than Canada, Japan, South Korea et al is that now deemed as being a bad trade deal?

Surely the more trade any ' third country ' does with the EU that is a win for the EU.!

Not sure, interesting question.

Portugal also used to allow expats not to pay tax- but the new socialist Government has realised it is far too expensive, and far too divisive too. I imagine the same will happen. Healthcare cost for 1000s of older Brits will very likely prove to be massively expensive.

I doubt David Frost has any autonomy at all and will do and say exactly as he’s told

Jura

Thank you for replying.

You say ' But this cannot be imposed on the other 26 ' and I totally agree, that was not even a consideration in my mind.

The question was would the EU permit one of the 27 Member States to ' unilaterally ' proceed with what the Portuguese have put forward as a ' potential ' possibility.

anniezzz09 Sun 23-Feb-20 18:20:37

'people who voted Leave who do not want a deal with the EU !
Sorry, my only response is stupid, ill educated, ill informed, arrogant, careless, racist, xenophobic idiots! The last word is purposely chosen in place of the word I'd really like to use!'
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That is the sort of post that has been trotted out ad nauseum and perversely on occasion denied, even by those who say it.

It is certainly trotted out by the stupid, ill informed and arrogant.

GagaJo Sun 23-Feb-20 18:02:47

'I don't think he's capable of negotiating. Not as a dig, I just don't think he has got the skills. If it can't be done remotely, aka done by Cummings with BJ's signature, it ain't going to be done.'
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What is your opinion of the UK Negotiating team led by David Frost?