Trevor Phillips (ECHR) Suspended from the Labour Party

It is happening in the NE. One school had 3 incidents
This article about Muslim children is interesting jantrust.org/blog/islamophobia-in-schools-children-are-experiencing-hate-crime-too/
There are EDL marches in our city where it is Muslims who are being vilified.

Thanks to maddyone and tickingbird for pointing to the similarities between antisemitism and islamophobia. It shouldn't be either or.
As someone mentioned, the documentary about Muslims in Bolton confirmed the differences. Tickingbird is right about the police presence at Jewish schools and synagogues. That isn't happening at Muslim schools or Mosques in the north west but it certainly is towards the Jewish communities in north Manchester.

I meant there is nothing happening to Muslims here that is in any way close to what was happening in 1930’s Germany and we should be thankful for that. In the present day, in this country, Muslims aren’t subject to the same intolerance and threats to safety that the Jewish population are.

All prejudice is wrong but there is a total lack of awareness regarding the attacks on jews in this country. The general populace are unaware that there is always a police presence at synagogues during services. Jewish children in Manchester have a police escort to and from school and windows at the school are bomb proof. This has been going on for years. I could relay many stories. This shouldn’t be about Jews versus Muslims but for some that seems to be the case. Jews have been leaving this country and going to either Israel or the USA for a long time because they’re scared. There is nothing happening in this country that even comes close to 1930’s Germany.

growstuff
How would you suggest people are encouraged to move out of their comfort zones?
The same way other cultures and religions integrate.
Many non South Asian muslims and people of other religions tend not to adhere so closely to the cultural necessities from their former countries of residence and they also recognise that immigration does require some integration. Most immigrants still retain and observe their religious beliefs with no issue and in fact some have already assimilated into British culture i.e. Diwali.
Having lived in a muslim country that was very accepting of other religions if done discretely, there were churches, temples but no Jewish places of worship. Cultural differences were not too well tolerated. However everyone knew that the culture and religion of the indigenous population trumped everything and any deviation from the discrete was promptly dealt with as were muslims with extreme views.

Joelsnan I'm not denying it. Jews have done the same in parts of North London and some other areas throughout the country. Other immigrants have done the same throughout history. For example, I know one area of a Hertfordshire town which is almost predominantly Southern Italian. London has always been a city of many distinct communities. There used to be areas of Liverpool which were Catholic etc etc.

I think the reasons they do it are fairly obvious. How would you suggest people are encouraged to move out of their comfort zones?

maddyone I haven't read everything Trevor Phillips has ever uttered. However, I think you've hit the nail on the head. It really is only some (a small minority) Muslims who are terrorists or engage in activities which aren't compatible with the British way of life.

The way Trevor Phillips has framed what he said, it sounds as though he is condemning all Muslims. It's well-known that he doesn't agree with multi-culturalism ie letting different groups maintain their own culture and traditions, but living with respect for each other. He thinks that different groups should integrate totally, which is unrealistic over a short time scale.

The problem is that people like Tommy Robinson and other racists have pounced on what he has said as justification for their views.

Much of the issue that Trevor Phillips speaks about is not really a religious issue. It is a nationality and cultural issue. Muslims from Middle Eastern countries and others are very different to those from the Asian subcontinent of which most of the muslim community of the UK emanate. These communities have basically created their Asian muslim communities (with benefits) within some of the larger cities and this cannot be denied. A documentary a few years ago about the community divide in Bolton (I think), conclusively demonstrated this. So it is not religion but culture that is creating the divide, and Trevor Philips is probably the right person to have highlight this.

Agreed, but bigotry towards Italian and south east Asian (Chinese) communities is temporary. The bigotry towards and stereotyping of Muslims is endemic in the national psyche.

maddyone absolutely correct re racism towards Chinese (or indeed any East Asian looking people) and Italian communities. My son's uber driver on Monday said he wouldn't take Chinese fares because of the corona virus. My son asked if he (a South Asian man) had ever experienced someone avoiding sitting near him on public transport because of the fear of suicide bombers. The reply came yes he had experienced the empty seat syndrome, and he didn't like it. My son pointed out he was doing exactly the same.

If anything, at the moment we should be more concerned about racism towards the Chinese communities and Italian communities in Britain.

Attacks on mosques are unacceptable.
Attacks on synagogues are unacceptable.
Attacks on churches are unacceptable, these take place in Pakistan and Egypt mainly, not in the UK as far as I’m aware.
I think it would be truly ridiculous of anyone to blame Muslims for Coronavirus, why do you think they would?
The difference with what happened in the 1930s and today is that Jewish people were not committing acts of terrorism against the population, but today some Muslims have done. Notice I said some because it is extremely important to realise that the vast majority of Muslims are not engaged in terrorism and they are living perfectly normal lives.

maddyone I find it more worrying because Islam has become essentially what Judaism became in the 1930s. The stories that were told about Jews then have similarities to the stories now being told about Muslims (and before anyone jumps in I know that there are Muslims committing real crimes). The main problem is that this seems to be perfectly acceptable to some people and attacks on Mosques are not regarded with the disgust they should be. As the economy shrinks and the Corona and Brexit effects bite, there could be thousands of people who feel desperate and will seek scapegoats. I very much fear that will be the Muslim community.

trisher I will say as you say - ‘I can’t be bothered’
You always use Islamophobia to halt opinions of anti semetism in the Labour Party.

How many Muslim tory MP’s have been bullied out of the Tory party, how many Jewish MP’s bullied out of the
Labour Party. How many Tory Muslim MP’s have needed a
police escort to get into a party conference? One did in the
Labour Party.

I would just like to quote from an article in The Guardian by Baroness Warsi entitled 'Trevor Phillips doesn't understand racisim'

This article, written by a high profile Muslim woman, may answer the question of what Trevor Phillips has said that encourages people like 'Tommy Robinson'

The extract:
"In the past it appears that he has said that “Muslims are not like us”; he’s said that Muslims “see the world differently from the rest of us”; he suggested that British Muslims are “becoming a nation within a nation”; has said, “I thought Europe’s Muslims would gradually blend into the landscape. I should have known better,” which earned the approval of far-right leader Tommy Robinson."

Those statements that he has made are not "the truth" and they do encourage people to see Muslims as some sort of separate entirety, not people with as many different views and opinions as anyone else.

Why?

Annie if I could be bothered I would post links to enquiries into anti-semitic complaints but I can't. I know that nothing will change your mind about perceived anti-semitism, so how about giving an opinion on Islamaphobia in any political party and trying to move on? In my opinion it is far more dangerous than the much-publicised anti-semitism.

Many complaints about anti semetic members , nothing done.

People had wanted Campbell out for years since the Iraq war it just gave them an opportunity (thank goodness)
If the complaint about Philips was made recently then it had to be acted on.

Why act immediately with Alastair and wait 4 years to act with
Trevor?

As I said, some people don’t like the truth.

Annie are you now setting time limits on things? Pity you didn't do that when discussing Corbyn. Double standards or what.
Alistair Campbell is a war criminal who should have been brought to trial along with Tony Blair never mind throwing him out of the LP.

I read Trevor said it 4 years ago, last year he said he couldn’t vote for the Labour Party at the election because of anti semetism

Alastair Campbell said last year he voted for the Libs .

Alastair thrown out immediately, Trevor suspended when
there are demands for an enquiry in the Tory Party.

maddyone if it is the truth please can you explain to me why there are Muslims who don't believe in Sharia law and some who do? Islam is a religious faith it isn't some sort of united organisation.
Iam64 I believe much the same was said about the Jewish communities in many cities in the 1930s.

POGS
I absolutely agree with your OP. Trevor Phillips is a fine man, and he speaks the truth. Some people don’t like that.