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Alex Salmond Trial Verdict

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SueDonim Tue 24-Mar-20 14:06:26

Not guilty on twelve charges, not proven on one. So, he’s not a sex offender. His character, however, has been revealed as unsavoury, at a minimum, even his defence counsel said as much.

I hope no one ever votes for him again, if he should seek election. I stand with those nine (*nine!*) women.

Grandad1943 Thu 26-Mar-20 21:34:02

Galaxy it is for the prosecution or defence to convince the jury in any case of rape myths. It is then for the jury to decide if there are any myths in the case they adjudicate on.

Certainly in the case, I was a juror on the Judge left us in doubt in his summing up what constituted rape, sexual assault and sexual consent.

SirChenjin Thu 26-Mar-20 21:34:22

Absolutely agree. It will change because the law always does catch up with women rights eventually.

Grandad1943 Thu 26-Mar-20 21:52:03

SirChenjin Quote [Not at all Grandad - I notice you because of your misogynistic posts and because you’re one of the few men on here.] End Quote.

Yes, and the misandry on this forum never ceases to amaze me.

Indeed it was that wholesale misandry many flung at me when I entered this forum by mistake believing it was for all grandparents that so offended me I made up my mind I would remain and continue to post. ?

This thread demonstrates that wholesale misandry sadly still remains within this forum.

SirChenjin Thu 26-Mar-20 21:59:07

If you find this female dominated site chock full of wholesale misandry then perhaps it’s time to move to a forum where misogyny and lack of understanding and insight into the challenges faced by women is shared more widely by fellow posters.

Anniebach Thu 26-Mar-20 22:02:27

let’s not feed the need

Grandad1943 Thu 26-Mar-20 22:05:14

SirChenjin, have no doubts I shall be remaining if only because of such posts as that of yours above. ?

Anniebach Thu 26-Mar-20 22:07:44

I thought you were staying to write epistles

SirChenjin Thu 26-Mar-20 22:12:36

I suspected you might Grandad - no woman is going to tell you what you should do, is she.

It’s most strange that a man would want to stay on a female dominated site which is, in his view, overrun by wholesale misandry.

Galaxy Thu 26-Mar-20 22:27:30

I agree anniebach, it diverts attention from the work that needs to be done. Utter waste of energy.

Grandad1943 Thu 26-Mar-20 22:38:53

I stay in the wish that the forum will become much more diverse in acceptance that both genders will be well represented in their views here.

However, I have always wondered why when so many women on this forum constantly state their demand for Equality with their male counterparts they still wish to maintain female only sectors such as is their desire for this site.

In that, the Equality Act 2010 brought forward full equality for women in all sectors of British society, it did however also end single-sex domination in all its aspects inclusive of forums such as this.

The above however is sadly still obviously not acceptable to a considerable number of members of this forum.

Galaxy Thu 26-Mar-20 22:40:32

Single sex provision is protected under the Equality Act, what on earth are you talking about.

Galaxy Thu 26-Mar-20 22:43:23

If anyone wants to support the work done in this area, the end violence against women coalition does some great work.

SueDonim Thu 26-Mar-20 22:45:14

Well said, Galaxy, Trisher & SirChenjin.

I’m trying not to fed the need anymore, Anniebach! It’s hard typing when sitting on your hands. wink

Grandad1943 Thu 26-Mar-20 22:53:57

Galaxy if you had read my last post thoroughly you would have witnessed that in regard to the Equality Act I stated "
In that, the Equality Act 2010 brought forward full equality for women in all sectors of British society".

Apologies for having to point out your error.

Galaxy Thu 26-Mar-20 23:00:25

You also said it did however end single sex domination in all its aspects. I pointed out that was incorrect as single sex provision is protected under the act.

Grandad1943 Thu 26-Mar-20 23:08:29

Galaxy, please inform me where single sex provision is approved of in the Equality Act 2010. Just the general sector will be sufficient.

The landmark case brought forward under the act was in enforcing the acts provisions on midfield golf club in ruling against it's male only membership regulations.

Galaxy Thu 26-Mar-20 23:09:24

Single sex provision in womans refuges, prisons, etc etc

Galaxy Thu 26-Mar-20 23:19:57

The act says it is lawful to.provide separate services for men and women
If it's less effective to provides services to men and women together
Theres a good enough reason for providing separate services.
Then various definitions of good enough reason.

Grandad1943 Thu 26-Mar-20 23:25:41

Galaxy could you state the section of the equality Act that your above post is drawn from.

In regard to refugees I believe it was the Human Rights Act 1998 that legislated on that matter and also in regard to the treatment of prisoners.

The Health and Safety at work Act holds also holds single sex provision for women in regard to manual handeling operations etc.

Galaxy Thu 26-Mar-20 23:31:30

It covers many aspects of provision
You can run a dads group'for example if you can demonstrate that males dont attend standard parenting groups
Accommodation such as hostels.
Groups with high degree of physical contact eg judo classes.
Where only one sex needs the service such as post natal

Grandad1943 Thu 26-Mar-20 23:35:25

Galaxy again can you give me the section from which you draw your information from in regard to the Equality act.

As I have pointed out there are situations when need requires separate provision in certain circumstances often for the protection of women as in safety legislation in regard to manual handeling where equality of the sexes or not possible.

maddyone Thu 26-Mar-20 23:37:19

Well said SirChenin

Galaxy Thu 26-Mar-20 23:39:31

Strangely enough it's the section entitled single sex services.

Galaxy Thu 26-Mar-20 23:41:24

If you google single sex provision and the equality act you will find it.

Grandad1943 Thu 26-Mar-20 23:47:36

Galaxy I have just carried the above out with no joy.

Could you therefore give me the sections you are referring to as the the Equality Act is a huge document especially when you consider the amount of encompassing legislation such as the fairness Work Act which it is compliant with.