New Labour LEADER

How does one speak out privately? Why did they ‘speak out
privately’ ?

The LP with Keir Starmer and his front bench is already a more effective Party that it ever was under Corbyn.

Galaxy, the Parliamentary Labour Party has been a fractious waste of space for the last decade. That was brought about by the those on the right of the Parliamentary Party who never accepted Corbyn's being elected as leader despite him winning two leader election victories overwhelmingly.

Had all got behind Corbyn following those victories rather than undermining him at every opportunity things may well have been very different.

Sadly those chickens may come home to roost through Kier Starmer's leadership term.

I know Grandad, the working class and the PLP just needed to think like you do, its all our fault, you are just waiting for us to catch up.

Definitely impressed so far.

Corbyn won 2 leadership elections, lost 2 general elections ,

Momentum and the unions wanted him but the country didn’t

Well, anniebach many on here predicted that they and a large section of the electorate would turn from Labour to the Lib Dems at the last election as never would the Liberals have a greater opportunity to breakthrough.

Now.....I have some difficulty in recalling what happened in that regard? ?

Whats that got to do with anything grandad. Does the lib dems failure invalidate labour's failure.

Impressed so far, nothing has happened yet. Parliament is suspended along with all committees and standing organisational structures within the Labour Party and the wider movement.

What in reality is there to be impressed about?

The proof of the pudding will be in the eating whenever that commences.

let me remind you granddad43 labour voters voted Tory

Galaxy, as you are contributing to this discussion, that provides evidence that the Labour party are the only real alternative to the Conservative government. That fact is despite all predictions that due to Corbyn leadership a complete collapse of support for labour would come about in favour of other parties.

Therefore to ignore those now warning that support for the Parliamentary Labour Party may be brought to an end from within the wider Labour movement should I feel be taken very seriously.

For in terms of a credible opposition to the Tory Party there is nothing else.

anniebach there are some who would have us believe that it was Brexit that gave the Tory party the election victory. However, those same people would also have us believe that Brexit played no part in the Labour defeat, is was solely Corbyn.

how many Labour Party members ?

how many Union members ?

how many eligible to vote in the country ?

Blackmail is a vile .

anniebach, this has been a reasonable discussion so there is no requirement for anyone to produce posts that are rants.

There was a complete collapse of support for the labour party in favour of the tories. This is not a good thing. I know they are the only credible opposition it's why I dont waste any energy on the lib dems. I criticise the labour party because I care about it, but I don't pretend that it is successful when it isn't.

Rant ? condemning blackmail isn’t a rant , I posted my opinion
blackmail, no rant

So long as you realise it is your opinion and others are entitled to theirs. That doesn’t come across.

Grandad

How much do you think the Clause IV arguement/debate will come into the equation for the Unions to fall in behind Starmer, Owt or Nowt?

POGS, there is a one-word answer to your above question "Nowt"

for the trade unions to fall in behind Starmer it will take assurance that his administration should it come to power will abolish at least the most offending sections of the anti-trade union legislation and bring about the ending of zero-hours employment contracts.

Should it not have been brought to an entire end when a Starmer led administration came to power the abolition of Gig Economy terms of employment could be added to the above, but that is already beginning to be brought to an end in many quarters.

The above is all the requirement that the trades unions have asked of the labour party over many decades, but it has never been granted to them despite all the support those unions through its members have given the Parliamentary Labour Party over those very many years.

Pikachu, in regard to your above post.?????

Grandad, a very small point, but is there a chance that you could spell the new Labour leader's name correctly? His name is Keir - as in Keir Hardie - and not as you spell it.

Galaxy, in regard to your post @21:15 today, no one is pretending that the Labour Party is successful at this point in time. In that, I have already stated in this thread that I believe that the Parliamentary Labour Party has been "a complete factional waste of space for over a decade".

However, that waste of space did retain two hundred seats at the last general election which with Brexit very much playing against the party that outcome could have been much worse.

However, many would wish to see the Labour Party now transformed into a Conservative Party mark two, but that will not happen, for any move back towards any part of Blairs New Labour will see the party completely destroyed.

GrandmaFrench apologies I will try to remember how the usurper's name is spelt. ?

Usurper?. Grandad you are obviously a Trade Union extremist, but you really don’t get it, with left wing leaders the Labour Party has lost 3 elections in a row, the country does not want a left wing government and never has. Blair and Wilson were both centrist leaders, it all went wrong for Wilson, because the trade unions became dominant and made a pretty good job of destroying the economy. The reforms Wilson made needed doing but increasing public spending by 45% was too much and wage rises for the poorest triggered everyone else wanting to keep the differential.

Trade union power in the 1970s destroyed the Heath and Callaghan governments because they simply would not see reason and inflation reached 25%. The result was most of the manufacturing capacity of the U.K. was lost to Germany, Japan and others who did retain the cooperation of the workforce.

There is nothing wrong with Trades Unions campaigning for better working conditions as long as they accept changing working practices and don’t use power to disrupt the economy. As has been seen recently railway workers have been doing just that in refusing to accept no guards on trains, there is a long list of other disruptive action trying to retain restrictive practices and resist progress