New Labour LEADER

So, changing work practises means accepting Zero-hours contracts and Gig economy working without protest or campaign?

Also, the long-running rail guards dispute is a safety issue that even the Health & Safety Executive have backed the rail unions in regard to.

The rest of your post Davidhs seems to be made up of what is now British industrial history and there are always two sides to such arguments.

However, the world has moved on and so has the Labour movement. It is the Parliamentary Labour Party that seems unable to catch up with that fact.

By the way, the usurper comment was a joke. ?

The many power cuts were frightening , the dead not being buried was cruel, the rats scuttling on pavements because the
household rubbish was left to build up outside homes, petrol
stations closed, and these are just a few.

Brought Thatcher to power.

“Starmer has achieved more in 4 days than Labour has done in the past 4 years”

Statement from Jewish leaders.

While Starmer bends backwards for right-wing Jewish groups, the Tories are making anti-Semitic jokes

voxpoliticalonline.com/2020/04/07/while-starmer-bends-backwards-for-right-wing-jewish-groups-the-tories-are-making-anti-semitic-jokes/

Martin Odoni in The Critique Archives has been less than silent.

He wrote: “Come on, BoD, come on, David Collier, come on, Jonathan Hoffman, and all you other self-righteous Zionist squealers cheaply using Jewish identity as a cover story for Israeli political gain. We know that the Evening Standard is a Tory newspaper, and therefore an ally of yours. But if you ever want to retain the slightest remnant of credibility, you need to protest this more loudly than any deed by anyone you have attacked in the Labour Party over the last five years.

“Because unlike almost all of the deeds you have attacked, this is absolutely explicit. It is an outrageous racial caricature, by the very standards you have insisted on imposing. You cannot apply them selectively.”

Voxpox and Mid Wales Mike is back ?

It’s a pity that a thread about the new Labour leader is focussing so much on issues decades old. I accept that we can learn from history but only so much and especially in such unprecedented times. BJ successfully fought an election in December that quite magically managed to portray him as having nothing at all to do with the past 9 years of Tory/ coalition government. It was genius. KS imo has put together a good shrewdly chosen shadow cabinet and has made a top priority in talking to the Jewish communities.

Posters who would rather a left of centre government should be talking up his prospects, not delving back decades with dark prophecies. When we come out of this, there may well have to be a wholesale rethink of many aspects of our social and economic order. I am optimistic that KS will be able to work across the political divides both with the Government and within Labour to achieve this.

Many ( including some GNers) want KS and Labour in general to fail - those of us who don’t should be being more supportive and optimistic. There is much to learn from the Tories on this.

Right on suzie

Makes us sound old, dwelling on decades ago.

Forward looking is the way to go.

Agree suziewoozie

How can we not look back to the 60’s and 70’s when there is drive to take the Labour Party back to these decades

Whitewavemark2 Quote [Starmer has achieved more in 4 days than Labour has done in the past 4 years”] End Quote.

Whitewavemark2, exactly what has Starmer achieved in those four days you mention whenever they were.

The National Executive Committee has not met with the exception of an online election to fill two seats. Parliament for debate is closed, and all constitutional committees in both the Labour party and the wider movement cannot meet.

So, through all that I would ask again, "what has Starmer changed by way of policy or Labour Party stance on any issue.

I would suggest that the answer to the above would be in reality nothing.

annie I think it’s an option to put fingers in ears and look forward

I look forward to what K Starmer will do and an hopeful. There is hardly any AS in Labour more in General pop and Tory as well as islamaphobia. Evening Standard published this cartoon I wonder if BOD will protest this.

There is hardly any only minuscule AS in Labour. Jenny Formby delt with It rigorously after taking over.

I am hoping K Starmer will do well for Labour.

There is no "drive to take the Labour movement back to the sixties or seventies." Britain is now a very different country and economy in a very changed world.

The trade unions operate within a very changed membership base with virtually all of Britains heavy industry sold off and dismantled over many years of Tory rule.

Only those who wish to see one party Tory rule predominate in the United Kingdom still hark back to what is now industrial history.

I would agree that all should look forward especially in these unprecedented times, but that cannot involve anyone believing that the Parliamentary Labour Party can return to Blairs New Labour policies for that will not and cannot happen.

Anyway, I have work to commence with as our Business is now once again operating at full capacity thank goodness. So see you later.

I take it you don’t like Starmer grandad ?

granddad43 speaks as a union member, he has said he is not
a Labour Party member

He said he we should all look forward,

but the Labour Party must not be return to Blair New Labour polices,

I totally agree with what Grandad1943 said.

The Labour Party must not return to the disaster of the 1983
election which brought us Thatcherism for 14 years

Oh dear - back to the future.

suzie if 1997 politics can be criticised so can 1983 politics

But I wouldn’t criticise either, just look to the future. The world has moved on.

The far left will not move on suzie they keep bringing up
the Blair government with no mention of the 1983 election
which caused the Labour Party to move from the power of the
far left.

Just ignore them - it’s all going to look increasingly irrelevant and out of touch. Look forward

Whitewavemark2 Quote [ I take it you don’t like Starmer grandad] End Quote.

Whitewavemark2, I certainly do not dislike Keir Starmer. Just like almost everyone on this forum I would think I do not know him personally and therefore have to judge him by what he states.

Therefore I shall wait and see what he and his fresh cabinet bring forward by way of uniting a very fractious Parliamentary Labour Party and through that, improving the confidence of the wider Labour movement in the that Parliamentary Party.

As I have already stated in this thread, the proof of the pudding will be in the eating.

grandad indeed

Grany you say:-

' I look forward to what K Starmer will do and an hopeful'

' I am hoping K Starmer will do well for Labour.'
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Yet you put links up to voxpolitical/MidWalesMike who like yourself is out and out pro Corbyn and it is presumably somebody you follow and respect his opinions.

I don't usually put links up to the likes of Mike Sivier but as you have used his words I will ask if the following are what could be called ' rooting for Starmer'.

voxpoliticalonline.com/2020/04/05/outcry-as-starmer-promotes-anti-semite-supporter-rachel-reeves-into-shadow-cabinet/
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voxpoliticalonline.com/2020/04/06/nandy-appointed-shadow-foreign-secretary-labour-has-no-plans-to-regain-scottish-seats/

I expect him to say as he did about Boris Johnsons health deteriorating ' Save Your Sympathy' but he doesn't seem to be too keen on Keir Starmer does he.