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Anniebach Sat 04-Apr-20 10:54:11

Keir Starmer .

Anniebach Thu 09-Apr-20 17:32:03

I can only think of George Galloway who launched a new left
wing party but he didn’t leave the Labour Party, he was expelled .

Who are the others grandad43 ?

Grandad1943 Thu 09-Apr-20 18:01:37

The Gang of Four and the Alliance party come to mind anniebach. The independence party I also believe was formed out of Labour but I stand to be corrected on that one.

I feel their are more should anyone care to do some research.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 09-Apr-20 18:03:50

None of them ever considered a threat to the Labour Party though

POGS Thu 09-Apr-20 18:05:14

Anniebach.

Have you forgotten ' the gang of 4' SDP.

POGS Thu 09-Apr-20 18:06:18

Grandad. Snap

Lesley60 Thu 09-Apr-20 18:10:00

I just hope he’s getting rid of Diane Abbot

Grandad1943 Thu 09-Apr-20 18:10:49

Great minds think alike POGS. ?

Anniebach Thu 09-Apr-20 18:14:11

The 4 mp’s who became The Gang of Four were of the left ?
No way.

The Alliance Party are in N.Ireland

The Independence Party was right wing

Whitewavemark2 Thu 09-Apr-20 18:16:21

None a threat to the LP

Anniebach Thu 09-Apr-20 18:16:48

POGS I have just replied, The Gang of Four were not as claimed by grandad43 from the left of the Labour Party,
they formed with the Libs and we now have the Lib Dem’s

Grandad1943 Thu 09-Apr-20 18:19:06

Whitewavemark2 Quote [ None of them ever considered a threat to the Labour Party though] End Quote.

Whitewavemark2, I agree they never threatened the existence of the Labour Party, they did, however, draw a great deal of attention when those that formed them broke away from the Labour Party amongst a great deal of publicity.

However, they never could find the financial backing that would have given them any longterm future.

MaizieD Thu 09-Apr-20 18:34:11

I'd love to see political parties being state funded. I think the present system tends towards being corrupt and makes a mockery of democracy. Money buys power...

Whitewavemark2 Thu 09-Apr-20 18:36:27

Yes I agree maizie

Grandad1943 Thu 09-Apr-20 18:40:18

MaizieD public funding of political parties has been discussed many times during my long life. However, I believe that no bill has ever got to even having a first reading in Parliament.

It will never come about for the reasons already laid out in this thread.

suziewoozie Thu 09-Apr-20 18:47:07

Lesley she stood down ages ago. But do feel free to make uninformed comments.

Grandad1943 Thu 09-Apr-20 19:00:31

POGS I believe you are correct in stating that they formed into an alliance with the Liberal Party that had about four seats in parliament at that time if my memory serves me correct.

I believe it was the fact that they were such prominent front bench members of the Labour Party that made the whole event so noteworthy at the time.

Is that correct as you remember it?

Grandad1943 Thu 09-Apr-20 19:08:41

Anniebach there was I believe an Change Uk Alience party that formed out of disgruntled labour MPs in the last Parliament.

I then think they changed their name to justchange UK. However they all lost their seats at the last general election.

Anniebach Thu 09-Apr-20 19:11:25

grandad43. Shirley Williams, David Owens, Bill Rogers and
Roy Jenkins were not from the left of the party

Grandad1943 Thu 09-Apr-20 19:15:00

Whatever the past history and arguments the Labour Party and Movement are still very much in existence and the only real alternative to the Conservative Party at this point in time.

If change does come about it will, I feel, come from the broader Labour movement outside of the present parliamentary Labour Party?

Anniebach Thu 09-Apr-20 19:15:47

Again you are wrong granddad43 the MP’s who left the Labour Party and became part of Change UK left the party
because of anti semitism and again they were not as you claim
‘From the left’

Grandad1943 Thu 09-Apr-20 19:16:48

1Anniebach please point out where in this thread I have stated that any breakaway group were from the left of the Labour Party?

Anniebach Thu 09-Apr-20 19:24:07

Many "breakaway" left-wing parties have been launched by disgruntled Labour MPs over the years but all have fallen over finance backing.

grandad43 your post.

Change U.K. and The Social Democrat Party were not
left wing parties

Grandad1943 Thu 09-Apr-20 19:35:11

Anniebach read again what you have just Quoted me on. It refers to breakaway left wing parties in regard to the spectrum of British politics. The forgoing is totally different to MPs from the left of the Labour Party forming such a body.

I do not believe that any breakaway organisation has formed out of the hard left of the Labour Party. Such bodies have always formed out of the centre or centre-left of the Labour Party.

Anniebach Thu 09-Apr-20 19:43:24

No grandad43. Not one formed a left wing party and this is
what you claim. You made no mention of ‘hard left’ , you
said ‘left wing parties have been formed ‘,

Grandad1943 Thu 09-Apr-20 19:52:53

Left wing in the spectrum of Briish politics anniebach.

I certainly did not mention in any post prior to the recent one's where any Labour MP was positioned in regard to their political stance in relation to left or right in the party when those breakaway bodies were formed.

Got it.