Boris Johnson admitted to hospital

My relative has said absolutely nothing Elegran and is on the front line there.

That is as it should be, Callistemon. I would be very interested to hear from Baloothefitz what his/her source is for what he/she has claimed. I suspect it is either "fake news" or that someone somewhere is acting very unprofessionally.

It is very easy to spread a rumour - and very difficult for anyone to prove or disprove it, or to pinpoint who is responsible for either the spreading of it or the creation of it in the first place.

There is so much conflicting information on TV. I am getting to the point where I find it difficult to be certain about the reliability of any information that is given.

There was a senior ICU nurse being interviewed yesterday morning and she said quite categorically that a person suffering from this virus would not be admitted to ICU unless they needed ventilation. Yet, reports are that Boris Johnson is not on a ventilator and is conscious.

Another doctor interviewed in a different hospital said that patients on ventilators are monitored at all times by a nurse assigned to one specific patient. ICU nurses have a very technical job, monitoring a patient's condition and adjusting the equipment to meet the patient's needs. However, this doctor said that in his hospital, because of the number of people on ventilators, one nurse is having to monitor six patients. Surely, if a person suffering from the virus is not in need of ventilation, they would not be on ICU where the demand is higher than the supply?

Who and what to believe?

I feel personally that if certain information is being withheld for whatever reason, even if well meant, that is not good. We were continually told by senior Conservatives that Boris Johnson was still unwell but it was not considered serious. That must at least have been an example of being "economical with the truth". If people are told things which later appear to have been a misrepresentation of the truth they will inevitably start to mistrust everything they hear and a whole climate of mistrust may develop. It is not wrong to question certain things - in fact I think it's healthy - but when people start to question everything that can lead to problems.

Latest I read on BBC website was that he was responding to treatment. That's good.

Agree with everything you've said Eloethan.

..and now gransnet have removed the 'worrying about freedom of speech' thread [which I, personally find worrying...].

So freedom of speech out of the window now, whatever will the Nannies deem unsuitable next I wonder.

Why are you picking over the reasons Boris is in Intensive Care. Do you think the doctors would put him in there if he didn’t need it? They are fighting to save him like everyone that they admit that is all you need to know. As soon as he’s able he will be back to work. He had proved he is a fighter and won’t be there longer than necessary the bed is needed, the country is being run and Dominic Raab with the advisors are quite capable. It’s not as if it was planned .
Just get well soon Boris and thoughts with Carrie and his family .

Another freedom of speech thread deleted that I started. So that is 2 now. It is getting beyond parody.

Amazingly it was taken down in minutes.

Astounding for those who are sooooo busy that they rely on us reporting each other in order to zap contributions.

Johnson is being treated by an Italian specialist; you know, Italian...one of those EU NHS people that have been leaving in droves because they have been made to feel [[until now] unwelcome.....

You couldn’t make it up

It was claimed, by GNHQ, that the "worrying" thread was a thread about a thread.
Is clearly wasn't, although another thread was mentioned at the start.
It was a general discussion of free speech on gransnet.

I'm glad to hear Boris is improving.

farnorth That was what they said about the one I started, but I was so careful for it not to be a thread about a thread. Which this post can’t be because my thread never got started they were so quick off the mark. Must have been having a quiet moment in their oh so busy day.

Unless they are going to start zapping posts about hypothetical threads now!

They used that same excuse to delete a thread I started last week, and I strongly disagreed with them about that one being being a thread about a thread either!

Wonder what’s going on? I did wonder about trying to contact a manager or whoever oversees the staff.

I'm sure this won't turn out like the cover up over Brezhnev's poor health and eventual death , although I expect there are malevolent forces who would rejoice at the British PM's death.

I am confident that Johnson is receiving the best possible care and what will be will be.

I hope you’re right growstuff.
Deaths reported today are over 900, it’s very frightening.

Im sure Johnson is in an ICU bed as a precaution and because he is PM, if the official reports are to be believed. However, I do wonder why some people, mainly men, seem to see illness as some kind of weakness and insist they are fine, when its clear they aren't. Does anyone else dislike the use of the term "fighter", as if those who don't survive haven't fought hard enough? Surely those who survive are those who have had good medical care, a strong immune system and some degree of luck, not that they have "fought" harder than anyone else.

I think you’re right vegansrock, my husband rarely gets any infection and even if he does he tends to throw it off within a day or two. His parents are exactly the same, never ill. However I seem attract any bugs that are around, it’s almost as though they see me and home in on me thinking ‘oh goody, there she is.’
I don’t think sick people fight or can’t be bothered to fight, I think they have the ability to throw off the infection or sadly, they don’t.

vegansrock Agree 100% with the whole "fighter" thing, and one which those of us who have had cancer can surely relate to. It's such an insult to those that don't make it to imply they just didn't try hard enough.

I can remember my daughter crying about that term, saying she felt embarrassed and a bit ashamed that her cancer came back.

I hate it in regard to cancer too.

People who have this virus cannot fight it, but those who are caring for them are, I think, fighting for them.

Oh yes, the ‘fighter’ image. If it was that easy to ‘fight off’ disease then we’d all live forever, wouldn’t we?

I'm with other posters on this. I cringed when Raab said Johnson was a "fighter", as though a recovery will indicate some positive character trait. It doesn't. It also implies that anybody who dies from an illness is cowardly, which is blatantly untrue and upsetting.