Let it go! Let it go! Turn away and slam the door!

callistemon honestly people are so touchy on this forum! I didn’t mean to imply that it was.

Next time try something like “no it wasn’t shoved down ours either”

And I was trying to describe my family originally as a-typical labour voters. Not so much these days.

Life would be so much gentler if people could just be more thoughtful.

Dear oh dear.

Eloethan Is there a link anywhere to the original report or, at least, an authoritative precis of it? All I seem to be able to fid is second and third hand stuff and opinions.

EllanVannin Yes, I did read about it and it was talked about on Gransnet. That was one person - and to suggest that all Labour people would be celebrating if Johnson died is insulting and ridiculous.

The reports that certain sections of the Labour Party conspired to work against Corbyn throughout his tenure, doing everything possible to discredit him and sabotage Labour's chances in an election, comes as no surprise to me. It appears that some people in the party are outraged, in effect saying that the report is not to be trusted and is just a distraction. However, from what I have read, there are e mails to evidence the absolutely disgraceful behaviour of these people.

It's unlikely, understandably in the current crisis, that this will get the coverage it would normally deserve. Hopefully, though, these matters will be properly aired at a later date and action will be taken against these people who deserve to be kicked out of the party for their treacherous behaviour.

It wasn't shoved down our throats Whitewave, why would you assume that?
Rather as you describe, solid Labour but not middle class.

Just discussed freely at the dinner table

grandad my last post of evening- off to read.

I believe what Starmer said this morning, - that he thought it to be an extremely serious matter, that in his opinion it was best dealt with by a totally independent body, and that it was going to be set up immediately.

I am therefore content to let matters take the proper course and am patient enough to wait the outcome.
In the meantime people are still dying. Tragedy is taking place in care homes and I weep for the elderly whose lives are being cut short for want of planning or awareness by the government.

Good night

Whitewavemark2, there is much I can agree with in your post today @19:48. I too believe in a mixed economy for in that I own my a business.

However, the Labour Party belongs to its members and affiliate members. In 2015 that membership overwhelmingly demonstrated in the election of Jeremy Corbyn the political direction they wished the Parliamentary Labour Party to take.

However, by the release of the report under discussion, it has become obvious that there were employed members of staff working within the Labour Parties Central Office who took it upon themselves to totally disregard those democratic wishes and oppose Corbyn as leader even too the extent of taking action that would lose Labour the 2017 General Election.

What is now obvious is that such a "setup" as continues to prevail in the Labour Parties Central Office cannot be any longer allowed to exist. For while that setup is there the Labour movement as a whole will be unable to deliver politically for anyone who wishes to see a fairer society in Britain.

Therefore in the eyes of very many in the Labour movement, Starmer must now take up this whole issue as a first priority, or the whole matter will be most likely removed from his hands and the Parliamentary Labour Party will be most definitely finished for good.

callistemon ? no neither have my children. We are a solid labour middle class family. I guess that it was never shoved down our throats but somehow it’s in our genes.

Saying that it doesn’t mean that we disagree profoundly at times with LP policy, but on balance our votes always end up with Labour

I think our mantra above all is fairness, caring and humanity.

Did you not rebel, Whitewave?
That is probably why I voted Liberal because I was rebelling against being brought up by a staunch Labour parent.

gaga?

Chewbacca try following this thread and the alternative one on the report of the actions of the Labour Party Central Office staff over the past four years.

It's not about Corbyn, it's about the totally disgusting actions of those opposed to him who were employed at that office and who were supposed to be engaged in supporting him.

grandad it was pretty clear throughout the run up to the election that the Tories were going to win, but that doesn’t mean that I was not knocked for six by it.
At the same time it had been clear for some time that mum was dying and as she was at home and we were her main carers I decided the morning after the election that I needed to put my disappointment to one side and concentrate on what was important.
GN contrary to how it may seem at times is not terribly important to me. I like the challenge of the debate and it keeps my mind active.

I have supported Labour since before I could vote and I come from a solid labour voting family, from my grandparents and when Labour was first formed to present day.
I have been more or less enthusiastic about each Labour leader as they have come along, but I am above all a democrat and will always give each leader my support until he/she no longer broadly represents me.
My aim is always a labour government because I consider that it is the only political party that is broadly in line with my world view.
But and this is where we will probably part company. I am not a socialist I am firmly in the social democratic camp. I always have been. I believe strongly in a mixed economy and my role models are the Scandinavian countries. Frankly I consider that we have never had a socialist leader, but I know people will disagree with that.
Mum died on 13 th January, and after a while I was ready to take up GN again.
With regard to Corbyn. Yes undoubtedly a man who was poorly served by many in his party. I am of the opinion always that as a Democratic Party it’s members must always give support to its leader but undoubtedly I an naive in this opinion. What is far more important to me is that we get a labour government. We owe it to the poor, the NHS, the economy and for fairness. The fight for a labour government is bigger than any internal disagreement, and so much time and energy appears to me to be wasted. I really can’t be doing with it.

In my view there isn’t a single politician who isn’t indispensable and that includes Corbyn and Starmer.
In time the issue that seems to be so important to so many at the moment will be history, but the poor will still be with us and the fight for a fairer society will still need to be fought.

WWM, I am completely on the same wavelength of your 16.48 post.

But why is he being resurrected now? I've not seen him mentioned anywhere for weeks; so what's he done to get discussed on here now?

Ah that Jeremy Corbyn! Thanks anniebach; I'd forgotten all about him.

Whitewavemark2, I apologise if it appeared I included yourself in my post @18:02 today.

There were "a number" who by their posts gave the impression that they were fervent lifelong Labour Party supporters who disappeared from this forum on the night the results were being announced in the December General Election.

That left just myself on this forum the following day still defending the Labour Party and the wider Labour movement.

Therefore Whitewavemark2 perhaps you can understand that when reports such as the one under discussion are released or others re-appear on the forum and engage in telling us who "remained to face all" what now is required in Labour it will touch a nerve.

grandad I was nursing my dying mother.

No apology necessary - you of course weren’t to know.

Jeremy Corbyn was the leader of the .labour Party who went on holiday during the referendum campaign and refused to
take part in tv debates , regardless of the result leave or remain, he was in the clear

I don't think Labour's internal issues are taking precedence over the pandemic, surely it is possible to think about both at the same time.

I am upset about the behaviour that is reported in the document.
I am also furiously stitching scrub hats and wash bags, being upset about what went on at the Labour party does not stop me trying to do my bit to help during the pandemic.

Yes Chewbacca who is was he anyway

Jeremy Corbyn? Who's he?

Labour has had internal issues before. Starmer is ,I hope, giving priority to the thousands suffering now ,

Wishful thinking being carried out by some in this thread I feel. Especially when those persons disappeared from this forum for many weeks following labours defeat in the December general election.

Others of us remained and continued to defend Labour at that time, including the morning following the election results.

Now those fair weather supporters are trying to tell us what's important
In the Labour movement.

grandad as I have indicated I am content to wait for the outcome.

And no I don’t agree that labours internal issues should take precedence over the deaths of so many people, and the need to hold this government to account, or uphold it where is is doing well.

Starmer is hitting absolutely the right tone as far as I am concerned.

Whitewavemark2, in regard to your post @16:38 today, many people wish to see a left-leaning government elected in Britain but for that to come about it has to be based on an organisation that is fit for purpose.

In the leaked report it is alleged that central office employees deliberately worked against a Corbyn led Labour victory in the 2017 General Election campaign.

However, the report states much further in how those employees carried that action out. By example, it states that in the middle of that campaign the employees involved where for a month able to sit on information being requested by Corbyn's office by way of sending trivial messages to each other that made them appear they were busy.

That begs the question, where was the line management of these employees or was there collusion in their actions at much higher levels in Central office.

The report also states that since that time the identical employees have carried out the same action in regard to the anti-semitism investigations being carried out by the General Secretaries office (Jenny Formby).

That action has already affected the Equalities Commission investigation into anti-Semitism in the Labour Party in that it has stated in its preliminary report that Formby's office had not progressed with those anti-semitic complaints in the way it should have.

The above is the truth, but now we all know the real reason why. Again the foregoing begs the question of were is the supervision of these employees or has there been again collusion in what these employees have been carrying out at a much higher level.

All the above suggests that the current Parliamentary Labour Party is an organisation that is not fit for purpose. Therefore it is pointless to criticise this conservative government on any matter as with such an underlying organisation the Labour Party will never achieve government at any time in the foreseeable future.

With all the above in mind, many obviously feel this matter must be "sorted out" by Starmer NOW before he engages in seriously trying to unseat this current government however tiresome some fair-weather Labour supporters may find that to be.

I refer you to my post above.

I really haven’t the energy to continually revisit or pick the bones of how Corbyn was treated. I fought against it just as you did, but frankly politics never takes prisoners and it is time to move on.

I want a Labour government. I want a democratic socialist government.

It seems to me that if that is not what people want then they must do as you say and leave the Labour Party and set up a socialist party that suits their ideology better.

I am prepared to wait for the outcome of the enquiry, meanwhile my attention is absolutely on the Tories and how they are dealing with the cv crises.