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What a shower - they are not fit to govern the country

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Cindersdad Mon 11-May-20 09:03:15

Following on from Boris Johnson's performance yesterday evening the comments from so many can be summed up by saying "What an idiot". Totally lacking in clarity, yet more spin designed to try make the government look better. I've been watching Good Morning Britain just now. The more we see the more it becomes apparent that they really haven't got much of a clue. Moderate Tories, Labour and others in Parliament need to force a change in government with a coalition of common sense pending a general election when the truth has come out.

The problems can be traced back to the Thatcher era when profits, privatisation and a lack of caring for society was the mantra. Brexit was just the latest example of not caring about the good of the country. Recent austerity for the sake of saving a few pence on income tax left the country unprepared for any sort of emergency let alone a pandemic.

The performance of the UK must be compared with that of Germany, South Korea and other countries who have handled the situation so much better. They have for years maintained Health and Care systems at a level with capacity to react, kept a manufacturing sector vibrant and seen an over reliance on the service sector as bad for their countries.

We should have tested from the start and where resources were limited tested where it really mattered. Assume that those in hospital with symptoms were positive and only testing those who were likely to pass the infection on. The true of deaths can only be estimated based on compariing this year's figures with those of recent years.

It will take years for Britain to regain the status it squandered away. We have the talent, may have the right type of leadership in some as yet less well known politicians. No quick fix just a slow gradual return to values that really matter.

So write to / email your MP's asking them to take a lesson from 1940 and form a government of National Unity, cancel Brexit and call a general election when and only when the situation is properly under control. Only parliament, if they have the courage, can call the executive to account.

Sparkling Sun 17-May-20 06:37:50

This thread is taken over by lefties, they have to have some where but as its totally biased against reasonable debate, it's a pointless exercise commenting.

Furret Sat 16-May-20 21:05:02

Lucca there do seem to be some very hard right opinions I agree.

Ilovecheese Sat 16-May-20 18:53:03

I think you could be right Lucca

Lucca Sat 16-May-20 18:51:45

Have farage and widdecombe joined gransnet ??

Barmeyoldbat Sat 16-May-20 18:28:19

Good answer Gagajo

SirChenjin Sat 16-May-20 18:16:42

Read back Janpt - I’m sure you’ll work it out for yourself.

And your ‘wolf in sheep’s clothing’ was incorrect too - Starmer doesn’t pretend to be harmless in his verbal beating of Bozza. The only sheep is Bozza as he continues to follows Dom’s lead.

MaizieD Sat 16-May-20 18:11:54

It's not a ridiculous argument at all. It's about 'supporting the government'. That has to be about the most vacuous statement ever. There's no imperative on anyone to lose their critical faculties just because a government they don't agree with is in power.

How Jabberwok manages to conflate this with conditions in pre-war Germany I really don't know. It always happens, though. Propose that something is analogous to the pre-war growth of fascism and you always end up with a string of non sequitors.

GagaJo Sat 16-May-20 18:06:10

Jabberwok, BJ doesn't have to do anything either, other than bend over for Cummings the puppet master to put his hand up his back.

And Janpat, your point, 'they have lost and will never win again' is a playground argument. Do step up your game dear.

BJ was ALWAYS just a front. No one ever thought he'd be doing any governing. They have Demonic for that.

Janpt Sat 16-May-20 18:04:57

SirChenjin I don't know which factually incorrect post you are referring to. However I said that KS was a Wolf in sheep's clothing i.e. Wolf not sheep so in that you were factually incorrect. Stand corrected !!

Jabberwok Sat 16-May-20 18:00:33

Hardly the same! Germany had just been defeated in an appalling war, the great depression was alive and well! I don't think we're about to re-arm and send troops into other countrys in order to invade them, or start persecuting Jews ( mind you?!!)

Janpt Sat 16-May-20 18:00:03

Jabberwok I totally agree,well said !!

Janpt Sat 16-May-20 17:57:15

MaizieD That's a ridiculous argument. I think we are all, including the Labour party more civilized than the Third Reich !!!

MaizieD Sat 16-May-20 17:39:09

I'm pretty sure that the tongue in cheek bit of Greta's post is the We must all support the government, whatever they say or do, because times are difficult bit...

'Supporting the government' was what people did under the Third Reich and look where it got them...

SirChenjin Sat 16-May-20 17:29:01

Yes, corrected her factually incorrect post. Nothing to do with being obeyed, what a silly thing to say.

Jabberwok Sat 16-May-20 17:27:15

Corrected her?!! Then of course you must be obeyed!! [ hmm]

SirChenjin Sat 16-May-20 17:17:37

You

SirChenjin Sat 16-May-20 17:17:14

You’re repeating the same old nonsense Janpt. Remember I corrected your earlier?

Jabberwok Sat 16-May-20 17:11:11

He could well be Janpt, but at least he's not?!!!!!!
All KS has to do each week is prepare for PMQ's, he doesn't have to actually take responsibility for anything. It's so easy to criticise and point the finger when you know that is all you're ever going to have to do and that nothing you say will reflect badly onto you. Boris on the other hand has the weight of this whole unprecedented episode on his shoulders and must be careful what he says and more importantly does! If KS was in this position I think he would be a little more guarded and less forceful with his opinions and direction of travel!

Janpt Sat 16-May-20 17:09:01

SirChenjin It's really bugging you that his party is in control, not yours. You lost the election so you'll just have to accept that !!!

SirChenjin Sat 16-May-20 16:57:17

His behaviour says otherwise. Without the gallery he was nothing but a bumbling idiot who was caught on the back foot repeatedly by Starmer.

Janpt Sat 16-May-20 16:48:45

SirChenjin Boris Johnson can hold his own with any of that lot !!!!!

SirChenjin Sat 16-May-20 16:17:03

The very last thing Starmer is is a sheep - his systematic dismantling of Bozza at PMQT demonstrated that.

Janpt Sat 16-May-20 16:11:42

Jabberwok Hope it's not a left one of any description. KS is just a wolf in sheep's clothing

Jabberwok Sat 16-May-20 15:55:59

The people of the North 'lent' their vote for the simple reason that they supported Brexit and knew that JC was sitting on the fence and that Boris would get Brexit done! Also judging by what people were saying on the doorstep,they just didn't like J.C and would have voted Labour but for him, and his far left cronies! Under KS, come the next election, it could be a very different story, but not a far left one thank goodness!

Dinahmo Sat 16-May-20 15:53:07

Glorybee Thank you. I was just interested and certainly don't expect you to justify yourself on here.