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Whitewavemark2 Mon 25-May-20 17:31:13

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GNHQ edit: Following on from previous thread linked to here: Will he resign?

janipat Tue 26-May-20 19:47:28

I tend to the same view WhiteWavemark2but even if we suspend disbelief and swallow the being ill bits, he broke so many of the rules he helped frame and is totally unrepentant, truly believing he is a special, exceptional case. His arrogance meant he was quite happy to keep the press waiting for him for over half an hour when he was late for his own show. The height of rudeness. It was the only apology he made "sorry I'm late" no explanation as to why, perhaps because it was deliberate?

Dinahmo Tue 26-May-20 19:47:23

For someone who wanted to be PM and made various promises to the country before the election, Johnson is making a bit of a pig's ear of it.

I was going to type that he couldn't have known about covid and so cannot be blamed for everything. However, back in December the virus was known about.

He couldn't have helped being ill but he was possibly a bit reckless in his behaviour beforehand. However, he could have put into place a better system for running the government.

He is to blame for getting rid of the more able MPs at the election. either by not supporting them against their de-selections or sending them off to the back benches or that they felt the need to resign/retire.

He is also to blame for choosing an advisor who is apparently more powerful than he is.

What this crisis has shown is that he is not as good as he believed himself to be.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 26-May-20 19:46:37

Can you explain what you mean umteenth you simply mentioned binning and I replied to that.

GGumteenth Tue 26-May-20 19:44:56

Actually, it was the vicar's comments I was referring too but the Straw Man of GN has made yet another appearance.

Are you saying that people dying, in a care home or hospital surrounded by appropriate and necessary care is on a par with a four-year-old child being without care? It doesn't make Cummings actions right or wrong in either case but it does stop us following the media wind-ups.

MissAdventure Tue 26-May-20 19:43:27

The Cummings certainly haven't needed facts, have they?
Any old load of poop will do.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 26-May-20 19:42:30

Binning - reference the BBC news. Is that fact enough?

GGumteenth Tue 26-May-20 19:41:04

Could you reference the "binning" Whitewave? Some seem to have lost all need to depend on facts on this subject - very sad.

Curlywhirly Tue 26-May-20 19:38:56

I know Whitwavemark2 all this hand-wringing over the ins and outs of what to do with a small child if the parents are ill. It's a blummin' fairy story to cover up that the Cummings' went on holiday. I don't believe a word of any of it.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 26-May-20 19:37:46

rage?? should be the

Whitewavemark2 Tue 26-May-20 19:36:57

maybe oh yes, I hadn’t thought of that.

This is really unravelling big time.

There was nothing wrong with either him or her, rage whole thing was made up to cover for an Easter jolly with various parents.

varian Tue 26-May-20 19:33:32

Why should he resign when he believes he is indispensable and has been backed up by BJ?

These people have no shame. They got where they are because they are both habitual liars and in the course of the brexit fiasco, their lies worked - they were swallowed by the people (not most people but enough to give them a win in our corrupt system).

They now expect the people to swallow any lie, no matter how outrageous and feeble, that they spout. They think they will always get away with their lies, bacause they've always got away with lying in the past.

MayBee70 Tue 26-May-20 19:33:20

...visiting the inlaws….

Dinahmo Tue 26-May-20 19:32:46

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/14/journalist-stuart-collier-boris-johnson-phone-call-darius-guppy-demands-apology

whitewave the above is a link to an old Guardian article about Darius Guppy and Johnson.

MayBee70 Tue 26-May-20 19:32:32

I didn't know about Wooler. Is that near to Chillingham?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 26-May-20 19:29:15

Cummings has denied that he was in Wooler in April. As I said a nice little jolly.

Curlywhirly Tue 26-May-20 19:27:10

Well the previous Chief Public Prosecutor, Nazir Afzal, has just declared that Cummings did break the law; I am sure he has far more knowledge of the intricacies of law then any one on GN!

Whitewavemark2 Tue 26-May-20 19:26:45

The vicars question got kicked nicely into touch by Hancock and had been binned by No 10 (Cummings)

Whitewavemark2 Tue 26-May-20 19:25:20

But in any case i5 was all lies to cover for a jolly

GGumteenth Tue 26-May-20 19:24:06

Interviewed by Sky later on

janipat Tue 26-May-20 19:20:30

Elliegran Cummings was not ill when he made the decision to take his family 260 miles away to Durham, he merely thought he might get ill, and be incapacitated along with his already presumed infected wife. Well every family with young children could have had the same thoughts, what would have happened with thousands of infected households travelling around the country just "in case" they needed childcare at some point?
And can you really support someone who claims not to be sure if they were up to driving home taking a 60 mile round trip to test if their eyes were too badly affected or the feeling sick was too bad? If true that in itself is a crime. You are not allowed to drive with an uncorrected visual impairment. So if suffering from blurred vision for example, driving is forbidden.

Luckygirl Tue 26-May-20 19:14:10

This link gets you straight to the right one: twitter.com/JonathanPieNews/status/1265324217131839488?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Luckygirl Tue 26-May-20 19:11:17

jonathanpie.com

Language is somewhat colourful, but tells it like it is.

For those who do not know this guy he is an actor (Tom Walker) who blogs as a pretend political correspondent (Jonathan Pie) - he is getting ready to do a broadcast, practising what he is required to say, but his real feelings get the better of him.

Hetty58 Tue 26-May-20 19:08:32

EllanVannin, nobody has to 'build up a hate-fest. The British public aren't all fools - they don't like what he did.

GGumteenth Tue 26-May-20 19:04:02

It seems Varian, that you are doing what always happens on here and painting everyone who doesn't agree with you as suddenly "right-wing". I have never been right-wing in my life and that is not what is setting the parameters for my way of looking at this. In fact, I rather think I have been more left-wing than you have, at times in the past - not that it matters of course but unsubstantiated name-calling certainly does.

Having got the standard name-calling, from some, out of the way I would draw your attention to the vicar who asked if anyone who was fined for travelling to obtain child-care could be reimbursed. Matt Hancock was all in favour of this although he will have to check the details with the Treasury but thinks it would be the right thing to do.

The vicar was then interviewed on Sky. Asked his reasons for asking the question he said he wanted people to have a fair solution. He was then referred back to those people who could not be with loved ones when they died and could not attend funerals. He agreed this was difficult, he had conducted Last Rites over Skype or similar at times and it was awful that they could not attend the funeral but it was not, he said, the same - and I agree. I could not get to my mother's home in February when they rang me - too busy being sick, sadly. But she was somewhere where I know she had care, as were those in care homes and in hospital. That is very different from a child whose parents may not be in a position to provide care for a child.

And yet the media and even people on here wind those who were in this position up to even greater anger than they already feel. I call that wicked to be honest and I don't think this for any of your simplistic and oh so very far of the mark reasons.

Interviewed on Sky later, the

MaizieD Tue 26-May-20 18:57:28

I think you are buying into the lies and deceit. Elliegran.

Can you explain how you are able to support a liar?