Will he resign 2

Growstuff he did not break the law. Are you buying in to the media hype. Kuennesberg et all.

growstuff thank you

What childcare issues was he facing when he went into Downing Street when his wife had symptoms?

Oh for goodness sake Elligran! I'm not sure whether you're being gullible or trying to spread the fairy tales for another reason.

Cummings is being held to account for lying through his teeth and breaking the law.

Grannyactivist sorry if I spelt this incorrectly. I feel that DC is subject to a media storm. He is being hounded. He had to make decisions when he himself was ill. What would we do for our family when the chips were down. He was instrumental in deciding procedures for flattening the curve.
I know we all did our best to follow the rules which was a wonderful effort and certainly demonstrated the British spirit. Can we not try now to stop the hounding and accept that we all did our bit.

You may not agree with the party line but it is easy to criticise when we are not taking that weight on out shoulders.

There are so many threads now that I can’t remember which is which.Before anyone gets too excited about the prospect of Cummings either resigning or Johnson throwing him to the media wolfpack, my feeling is that nothing will happen and pretty soon the world will move on.The sooner the better.
Meanwhile, thousands will continue on their merry way packing the beaches as they have been happily doing for ages.

Henry Mance
@henrymance
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To protect Dominic Cummings, the government has so far:

- reinterpreted lockdown guidance
- accepted a ministerial resignation
- agreed to review all penalties on families travelling for childcare

Whitwewave

There are a number of copies of it, but this is one

www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9MUwBEJRwk

So - if people who were fined for travelling during lockdown for child care may be able have their fines decision reversed, will those who locked down, stayed home and struggled through rather than travel for help, be able to claim compensation?

Sorry, forgot to make bold: Elliegran.

Hello Elliegran, I think you’re brave to speak up on this emotive topic and I’m glad you felt able to do so.

I disagree with your stance, but I’m able to discuss things without getting hot under the collar, so I would be very interested in the reasoning that led you to offer your support to DC and BJ.

I wrote a very long post on the previous page where I pointed out some of the glaring discrepancies in the stories told by Dominic Cummings and his wife and, I thought, I had made it clear why my own understanding took me in a different direction to you. If you feel able to respond to what I wrote I’d like to get your take on where I’ve got the facts wrong, or where perhaps you think I’ve misinterpreted or misunderstood them.

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ohn Crace
@JohnJCrace
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Back in the 70s, I used to go on 60 mile round trips to see if I was too stoned to drive

Hancock has really gone down in my estimation. I always thought he was over-promoted, but he didn't seem like a megalomaniac. He's lied in the past, but that's always seemed because he genuinely wanted things to happen and possibly hoped something would work out. He's obviously ambitious, but if I were him, I'd take a big step back here and think of the long-term. People would have more respect for him if he showed more integrity - on the other hand, maybe he looks at Patel, Cummings, Shapps, Williamson, the Trump mob … - and wonders whether there's any point even trying to be honourable.

Point taken Whitehaven. We will have to agree to disagree.

Can anyone point me in the way of the conversation please?

david allen green
@davidallengreen
Fwiw, and this is an entirely personal opinion as a long-term Johnson watcher - to understand Cummings' hold over Johnson, you have to listen to the infamous conversation between Johnson and Darius Guppy

Exactly janipat. The government has been removing outdated versions of the rules over the last few days, but it's possible to retrieve them. I'm pretty sure it was permissible to leave home to provide childcare in an emergency, so the nieces or aunt could have travelled to London and picked up the child. However, in no circumstances should either parent have left the family home, if they thought they had been infected, and certainly not travelled as far as they did.

Apparently, Mrs C even took the child to a hospital, which was also forbidden. The advice was (and still is) to ring 111. There was the very real risk that she could have spread infection to patients and staff in the hospital.

Cummings has claimed that the child was "vulnerable" and needed "safeguarding". This is a cynical manipulation of an addition to valid reasons for leaving home (which was, I believe, added after all this anyway) to protect children suffering from real abuse.

Absolutely astounding that Hancock is considering to change the law regarding fines for driving during lockdown, and the fines that were fished out.

All for an advisor..

Anyone would think he was god

Well done for coming forward elliegran after lurking for goodness knows how long.

I still disagree with you though.

Whitehaven and varian. I have been on Gransnet. For a long time but do not usually post but this issue is so immotive I have been moved to post. You obviously find it difficult to accept that anyone has a different view to yourselves. So much for our tolerant society in the UK. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Well, it seems that a fair few people would have done exactly the same.
Disappointing, to say the least.

Police have said that had he been stopped by police on the journey up to Durham he would definitely have been turned back, as were many people who attempted much shorter journeys. A sensible approach would have been to have his two nieces on standby to come to London should both parents become incapacitated by coronavirus. We were told not to drive anywhere except for a very limited number of reasons, because the risk of having an accident or breakdown that would put others at danger. Certainly nobody who believed they had the virus should have been leaving their home at all.

Oh another bot? Or paid influencer?

Elliegran (not Elegran) seems to be another of these right wing posters who have mysteriously popped up recently on GN. Pure coincidence?

Isn't the Attorney General also under fire for supporting Cummings as well. Pity Johnson got rid of mot of the Conservative MP's that did have integrity. Can't help but think Teresa May is enjoying this enormously.

Tell you what, Elliegran, twitter might not be the real world (so tell me about the millions of aliens who use it, then?) but lawyers on twitter are pretty unanimous in their view that Cummings broke the law.

I don't know where you get the idea that the police don't agree from. He is currently being investigated by Durham police. They will then pass their findings to the CPS who will make the decision whether or not to prosecute.

Who is this 'chief prosecutor' of whom you speak?