Can you think of a Prime Minister worse than Johnson?

I have stopped my paying Labour membership money so have others.

The left of the Labour Party gave us Foot and Corbyn !

A labour leader has to reach out to ‘middle England’ it has lost
Scotland , still has South Wales but not Mid and North,

Well Grandad its obvious already that the wider public would be more willing to vote for KS and his seemingly moderate front bench, whereas they shied away from Corbyn and his seemingly far left front bench ! He's just a more attractive figure in every respect and much more likely to win over middle England which will have to be done by any party in order to win an election. That is the reality for all politicians of all partys like it or not.

Jabberwok in regard to your post @ 15:03 today, the Labour Party WILL be bankrupted later this year or early next year caused by the actions of the right within the party.

If the Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP) is then to have any chance of surviving that insolvency it will require very large funding from the broader labour movement, that being mainly the trade unions who are primarily in their views the left of the movement.

There are a number of reasons why that funding will not be forthcoming without large-scale reform of the PLP due to the fact that the funding that huge numbers of trade union members give each month to the Labour Party via their political levy subscription was (it is alleged) used against their elected wishes.

So, Jabberwok how can you state that the PLP "will get along much better" when at this point in time no one can be sure that the party even has a future.

Judging by the non-action of the PLPs leader in the Cummings crisis it certainly does not look good for any strong leadership to see the party through the forthcoming financial and organisational crisis.

Some people need to wake up to the very serious situation the right of the Labour Party has placed the organisation in.

Old people may think him old fashioned but the young people loved him knew what they were getting. . Honest trustworthy, with free education, The Green Industrial Revolution thats forward thinking. Funding for our NHS

Anyway now we have Johnson and his crew.

It's another beautiful day.

Sorry, but Corbyn was viewed as old fashioned, old aged, and a blast from the past, and judging from his record going back to 19 plonk,with particularly old fashioned virtually communist ideas and attitudes! He was anti the EU for over 40 years which is fair enough, then converted, then converted back!!??. His front bench were ?!!? He and they were a complete gift to the Conservatives, as were the Lib dems. Now Labour has a decent leader, one that won't be filling young people up with false promises in order to get their naive vote, only to water them down as aspirations, the party will almost certainly get along much better as it did under T Blair and be an effective opposition preparing for government.

So we have a man who consistently voted with his beliefs and principles and never strayed from those principles even when they were regarded as unpopular ,who believed in public services and organisations like the NHS, versus a man who was sacked for lying (and that as a journalist people who aren't known for strict adherance to the truth), has very dodgy friends (Darius Guppy), doesn't know how many children he has fathered, cut the fire service in London when he was Mayor and had some very strange investigatable funding commitments.
Now which one would you vote for?
Of course if the press conveniently forgot to tell you about what one of them had been up to that might make a difference.

Dareyoutwo Some of us opposed Brexit because of the trade talks with the US concerning meat and the treatment of animals and birds.

There are problems with the supply chains in the US at the moment and millions of animals and birds are being slaughtered. FYI 2 approved methods for killing chickens are either to shut off the ventilation systems to the hangers or to suffocate them by smothering them with foam.

This is happening in the country that Brexiteers insist that we can do trade deals with.

Lemon speak for yourself

Grany, you ( and everyone else) will never know what kind of PM Corbyn would have made, but for most of the country even speculating that he could have been PM is enough to make them turn pale and need a sit down.

Yes it was relentless. The Establishment elite, the Press in a very big way, continuous, attack dog style, propaganda. TV news
And the right wing of Labour, have been found out.

The best PM we never had.

So how did the public respond voted Johnson.

Real Criminals now in government

We have the right to criticise leaders speak as we find. Whatever party.

Dareyoutwo; lucky you being able to eat expensive organic food. So the poor can eat the hormone packed American meat because it won't affect you. Is this your 'let them eat cake' moment. Just about sums a lot of things up. Maybe, as a brexiteer you could donate some of your expensive organic food to your local food bank. Maybe the people that use it actually would prefer to eat it rather than the tins of baked beans that they tend to get.

Quite right MaizieD and Grandad1948 It was relentless and is still continuing.

Grandad43 do get your facts right please, and I don’t take
notice of ‘if what has been alleged’.

I supported Corbyn as the elected leader of the party I had been a member of for over 50 years, then I learned facts not
allegations , he lied, gave pathetic, wriggling excuses for his
actions. Hell bells who travels to wreath laying ceremonies then says, on camera, I was there but I don’t think I was
involved’.
Defended the anti semetic wall mural, then when it was declared anti semetic ‘ I didn’t look at it closely’,,

Activists campaigning around the country said the response was ‘not Corbyn’,

You are now criticising Starmer so do not lecture me on loyalty to the party.

Nothing to do with 'people like Annie'

Really? Really?

Nothing to do with Annie rubbishing Corbyn day after day on Gnet for the last 4 years and still at it at every opportunity, and no doubt to all her friends and family too. Plenty of people 'like that' on twitter, too. It was/is relentless.

And all the rightwingers, who demonstrated that they had no more regard for decency and honesty than they claimed their hate figure had when they voted for Johnson, joined in the rubbishing with enthusiasm.

I am a Brexiteer and I only eat corn fed chicken and anything fresh is organic as far as possible. If not it is seeped in a white vinegar mixture and washed and rinsed thoroughly. I have a rule that I only ever eat something I recognise so I will continue going to the effort of buying scotch beef and mincing it myself etc.
Once we have left the corrupt EU we will all still have choices and I suspect that those that have always eaten rubbish will continue to do so whether they voted in or out.

Jabberwok have you or others with your views ever asked themselves how the image of Corbyn you describe was formed in many of the electorate's minds.

I would suggest that the scenario and alleged illegal actions of many within the right of the Labour Party that I laid out in my post @13:03 today had a huge impact on forming that image of Corbyn.

Anyway it is back to work for me, see you all later. However, looking at all that work could well be much later. ?

Very true Jabberwok I have said much the same, but we could say it until we are blue in the face and some would still
‘Blame’ voters.So few even Labour voters could bring themselves to vote for him! Says it all really.

Oh dear Annie, that's you reprimanded!!
The only reason Labour lost the election so dramatically was the leadership! You saw during the campaign again and again, on the doorstep people who would have normally voted Labour were not going to do so. When asked why the answer was always the same, they didn't like Corbyn el al! Had KS been leader at this time, the result could and probably would have been very different. Nothing to do with 'people like Annie'

Agree Well Said Grandad1943 I never voted Tory I voted Labour

Anniebach Quote [ Corbyn certainly didn’t bring in Labour voters. ]End Quote.

Well if what is being alleged is correct, Corbyn did not only have Tory party opposing him, he also had the right-wing of the Labour party acting illegally against their own elected leader.

Ensuring that antisemitism allegations could not be resolved, fraudulently moving funding to preferred right wing candidates in elections and even working against a Labour victory in the 2017 general election where all part of a disgusting right wing campaign against Corbyn carried out within the Labour Party Central office.

We even have now right wing press journalist admitting and congratulating themselves in regard to "doing a job on Corbyn" supplied with many untruths from the above office.

Therefore it is those such as you Anniebach and others like yourself who never supported a leader elected with the largest majority ever recorded in a Labour leadership election that has put Boris Johnson into ten Downing Street.

Sadly that's true Annie and we now have the government we deserve.

Corbyn certainly didn’t bring in Labour voters

growstuff Brilliant!!
It always amuses me when people blame someone else for their voting decisions. So Corbyn is responsible for the Tories being elected. No! It's the F** people who put a cross for a Tory MP and if you did that, it's you!