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George Floyd Protests in Hyde Park

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GrannyGravy13 Wed 03-Jun-20 16:34:13

There are 1000’s of protesters in Hyde Park as I post this, no social distancing.

When in two to three weeks time the UK Covid-19 figures go up and more people die these protesters will be responsible!

Galaxy Sun 07-Jun-20 09:02:50

Saying all lives matter is as trite as going to a charity campaigning for cerebral palsy and moaning that they arent campaigning with regards to cancer. It's as trite as saying to a gay rights organisations but what about straight people. This is a movement for the rights of black people. How hard is that to understand.

Anniebach Sun 07-Jun-20 09:01:40

10 police officers injured

Rosalyn69 Sun 07-Jun-20 08:50:01

I’m all for peaceful protest.
Yesterday was not peaceful. It was stupid to not social distance. It was stupid to be intimidating. It was a mob.
People need to go back to work and do something constructive and start earning a living again. If they can protest in close quarters then they can certainly go back to work. It’s no greater risk.

Anniebach Sun 07-Jun-20 08:45:15

Very confusing,’ All lives matter ‘ to me means ‘all are equal’,
But this allegedly comes from the Far Right, according to
the Far Left here who bang on every day about - equality for
all.

Firecracker123 Sun 07-Jun-20 08:28:07

The people of the UK isolated themselves, abandoned our elderly to die alone, missed funerals, can't visit loved ones in hospital, cancelled weddings, destroyed businesses, our recovering economy is back down the drain its shattered our children’s and grandchildren's futures, some folk are on the bones of their backsides .

Yet these clowns toss aside that sacrifice
To gather for something that did not happen in this country and to honour a man (who shouldn’t have been killed in the way he was) who was high on drugs, an armed robber and a criminal.

Wheres the 4 page pull out of the people defacing the cenotaph?
Wheres the public outcry of the police being attacked.
This picture is your second wave of the Coronavirus!
Hope everyone knows who to blame!!

Copied from Facebook GB

Whitewavemark2 Sun 07-Jun-20 06:49:52

True - difficult concept to grasp for those not done economics though.

growstuff Sun 07-Jun-20 06:18:48

Governments don't even have to make the stuff which goes into purses.

The days of the king sitting in his counting house counting out his money are long gone.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 07-Jun-20 06:03:42

sparkling empty purse - so true.

But governments don’t handle purses. They make the stuff that goes into it.

Different ball game altogether. But it is convenient for governments for the myth of the empty purse to continue as it allows them to use austerity as an excuse rather than a political ideology.

Sparkling Sun 07-Jun-20 05:55:01

Ps No I don't understand macro economics like you, but I know you can't get anything out of an empty purse.

Sparkling Sun 07-Jun-20 05:51:56

I was responding to all your comments. Horses are used to contain a situation and very highly trained. Yes I do think all lives matter, despite it being as you say, a far right slogan which I haven't heard of.

growstuff Sun 07-Jun-20 05:49:21

PS. Sparkling If you don't understand the hidden meaning in slogans, I can probably recommend some reading for beginners too.

growstuff Sun 07-Jun-20 05:48:12

Wow! Whitewave you're on the ball today. Excellent idea! wink

growstuff Sun 07-Jun-20 05:47:12

PS. The country won't/can't "run out of money". Would you like me to recommend a good beginners' guide to macro economics?

Whitewavemark2 Sun 07-Jun-20 05:46:33

Idea.

Don’t use horses to intimidate people.

growstuff Sun 07-Jun-20 05:46:03

Where have I justified what happened? I haven't. What I've done is find out what really happened, rather than falling for the media lies about somebody pushing a bike into a horse which made the rider fall off.

I think you should read some of what I've written and find out a bit more about what happened yesterday.

The incident with the horse happened at about 6pm, which was after the march had broken up. The people remaining were mindless yobs and I have absolutely no time for them. However, don't tell me you haven't ever witnessed that kind of yobbish behaviour before.

I respect the police more than some people I've seen on GN and, as I've written, I am very proud of a police force which generally keeps law and order by consent. They are part of our communities and are tasked with keeping us all safe.

As I've also written, the Home Secretary could have banned the march and I think she should have done - at the same time as making a genuine promise to address some of the issues which make black people angry and which they're justified in feeling angry about. Of course, all lives matter but maybe you should open your eyes and see that black people in the UK (and elsewhere) still suffer systemic discrimination.

I also feel our government should be setting a good example by good moral behaviour.

Anyway, I hope your little rant sets you up to have a good day!

Sparkling Sun 07-Jun-20 05:33:01

Grow stuff, what chance have we got with peoplejustifying what happened yesterday? Why can't you see it was wrong. The police were having missiles thrown at them and the horses, trying to control an unruly mob. Would you like there to be no law and order, would you like you husband or children assaulted, attempting to contain the situation. the mob were protesting against violence but that's what they was using to get their point home. It was not peaceful or lawful. The rest of the nations is socially distancing, because over 40.000 lives have been lost to this Pandemic, people mourning these they count not be with at the end or attend their funerals, the country us almost on its knees, NHS and essential workers doing their best for you and me. How do you think they feel watching that? Black lives matter yes, but what about other lives or are they not important either? When the country runs out of money, no pension, social payments or jobs who do you think is going, who is going to wave that fairy wand to save us. It's down to each one of us. Since when did violence stop violence? How can there be a hidden meaning in all lives matter, when they obviously do, talk about reading something into nothing, Those not keeping their distance and throwing missiles should be fined as they wouldn't disperse.

growstuff Sun 07-Jun-20 04:23:29

twitter.com/i/status/1269339567339065350

growstuff Sun 07-Jun-20 04:23:01

The riderless horse then knocked over a pedestrian, who was separate from the protest.

growstuff Sun 07-Jun-20 04:19:51

Just seen another video, which was taken from behind the boy who pushed the bike. It's absolutely clear what happened.

The police and horses charged down Whitehall. They were having missiles thrown at them, which I'm not condoning, but I guess horses and riders are trained to deal with that.

One of the horses hit a traffic light and the rider fell off. The other horses stopped and were standing around, while people rushed to the rider on the ground.

During that time the riderless horse returned and ran back in the opposite direction and a boy pushed a bike towards two of the horses standing still.

You were right maddyone. The horse the bike was pushed towards and the horse which hit the traffic light were different. The rider falling off the horse was an accident and happened before the bike was pushed.

growstuff Sun 07-Jun-20 01:31:23

Use it by all means, but if you do, you're likely to be associated with the far right, which is possibly not what you want.

growstuff Sun 07-Jun-20 01:30:05

*All Lives Matter" is a far-right slogan, which is being used by the likes of "Britain First". Don't be fooled by it - it has a hidden meaning.

Evie64 Sun 07-Jun-20 01:12:26

I agree that people should protest when their has been an obvious injustice. However, I also think they should at least have worn face masks and, instead of their posters declaring "Black Lives Matter" I think they should have said "All Lives Matter, whatever colour creed or religion". I expect to get shouted down, but that's my opinion.

maddyone Sun 07-Jun-20 01:05:48

I feel very sorry about the terrified horses. Poor things. It must have been bad because they’re trained to be able to operate in large crowds. This is a very sad day.

maddyone Sun 07-Jun-20 01:03:26

Well I’ve just popped back in to this thread after watching a film to distract myself from the pandemic and the protests, so I haven’t been following it this evening as much as some of you ladies. However, having a last look at the news before sleep made me think about the number of black people on the protest. Well I realise with the subject matter there would be large numbers of black people, but surely they must realise that they are more susceptible to Covid19 and as a result of this protest many more black people will likely die, aswell as others from other ethnicities of course.

growstuff Sun 07-Jun-20 00:24:04

Now is the time for a leader to stand up and say quite clearly "We understand your anger and we're going to do something about it. Nevertheless, we're going to punish those who have caused damage and injury".

The trouble is that no leader currently has much credibility.

Let's see what he does.

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