George Floyd Protests in Hyde Park

In a way, removal of statues is achieving a purpose if more of us are finding out about the people being memorialised. I've just looked up Baden-Powell's Wiki entry and found out new information.

I never did really like the purpose of the Scouts, which has always seemed based on a colonial gungho ethos, which gives me the creeps. I knew Baden-Powell was considered to be a hero after Mafeking, but I didn't know about the rest. He's not a hero in my eyes.

Moreover, he was allegedly a Nazi sympathiser, as so many British were in the 1920s/30s.

PS. Apparently the statue is being removed for its own protection.

trisher
I see, thank you for that information. I didn’t know.

maddyone it's once again to do with the Boer War where Baden Powell was in command. This is a lamentable episode in British history which we have never apologised for (possibly because of the people involved) but the deaths were terrible. And we invented concentration camps killing women and children.
Civilian casualties:
46,370 casualties
26,370 Boer women & children died in concentration camps
20,000+ Africans of the 115,000 interned in separate concentration camps.

Callistemon
Yes, I knew that, it was horrible that children were encouraged to spy on their own parents. The scouting movement has nothing in common with it.

trisher There's a mural commemorating the Chartists in Newport, Wales.

NO trisher no one has said he should be killed. He was killed illegally and horribly. Everyone has said as much. Have you followed the thread, because if you have, you’ll be perfectly aware that everyone has said that it should never have happened and is wrong!

maddyone HitlerYuth encouragedyoung people to spy and report on their parents.

Quite different to the Scout movement which was flourishing way before Hitler came to power.

I do hope that hysteria is not overtaking common sense and knowledge.

I would have thought that the scout movement incited child abuse as opposed to anything connected to slavery----then again it's the same difference when you take a long hard look at many of these organisations involving child trafficking etc.

Callistemon
Indeed. Once George Floyd was on the ground and restrained, that was enough. They should have been able to handcuff him and get him into the police car from there. All of what has followed could have so easily been avoided.

George Floyd had a criminal past. linked with drug use which many recognise is something which is linked with youth and poverty and being black. He had committed no crime since 2007. He had been in prison which is often linked to drug use. He may have been addicted or a habitual drug user. Does that mean he should be killed?

I was puzzled last night when I heard that a statue of Baden-Powell was on the hit list. I was under the impression that he did a great deal of good throughout the world with his scouting movement. I don’t think the Hitler Youth can even be compared with scouting. Hitler Youth and the equivalent girls organisation, I can’t remember it’s name, were indoctrinating children and young people into the ideological beliefs of the Nazis, and it was obligatory for children to become members. No one is obliged to join the scouting movement.

What is the Scout Association saying about the removal of their founders statue?

Firecracker123 you said I agree with you blondenana, black thugs attacking our police officers and taking selfies. Do these black lives matters?
I will post the photo again. Look at the man with the baseball bat. I'll ask again do you want to apologise to black people?

He was a criminal but that was slow and deliberate murder.

Having got him down on the ground was enough - there were enough police there to handcuff him and prevent him driving under the influence. They were complicit.

I think the major fact here is that we watched a policeman kill an unarmed black man

We know George Floyd was a criminal, and deserves no respect for his lifestyle. However, he absolutely shouldn’t have died in the way he did. That was wrong, so very wrong. It doesn’t excuse his life of crime though, and nor in my opinion, does it excuse the rioting, the mugging, the thefts and looting, the attacks on police and even attacks on police horses, and the criminal damage inflicted on property.

The Scout movement was formed in 1908.
The person living through the Nazi occupation of Poland would have lived there in the years of WW2.

Those who liberated the Nazi death camps in Poland would have been wearing uniforms too.

Trouble is, it's a double-edged sword really in that these blacks feel as though they have to always be on the alert knowing how they're always perceived by others. Shame really.
It's an in-built stigma which is so sad.

I'm just stating facts.

Clearly not! No Firecracker123, you do not have to apologise! You are perfectly entitled to voice your opinion - well, I think you are?!!!!!

When he was killed he was high on meth getting ready to drive a car

Since when, even in the US, was that a case for instant execution by the police?

I'm not suggesting anyone should die I'm stating facts.

So not ‘the gentle giant’ firecracker

Firecracker123

It matters not what his criminal record was.

It's the manner of his death that is abhorrent

The way he was slowly killed by a policeman was totally shocking

I'm sure you're not suggesting he deserved to die

Why should I apologise because I am upset that black thugs attacked police officers.