Did people in Sunderland want this when they voted for a no-deal brexit?.

Very well said Eloethan.

I would just add that despite its inability to manage the country's health, it has managed to hand over billions of pounds worth of contracts to supporters and allies.

Who was the person (some lord or other?) who said a few weeks ago that farming and fishing aren't important? Well, we know now that they're not important to the government. Sunderland isn't important either. Project Fear? I don't think so!

I saw the Nissan global chief operating officer, Ashwani Gupta, being interviewed regarding this issue. He said quite categorically that it would not make economic sense for Nissan to continue manufacturing in the UK if no suitable trade deal is finalised with the EU.

The I reported that the Bank of England has told lenders to prepare for a no deal Brexit, so presumably they believe such a scenario is entirely possible.

For the majority who voted for Brexit in Sunderland, they were warned. Sadly, the ones who didn't vote for it are also likely to suffer.

Never mind, we had it on Johnson's authority that the UK is straining at the bit to "unleash its potential" when we "take back control". That has a very hollow ring to it at the moment since this government seems unable to take control of anything with any degree of effectiveness.

I have every faith in the population of Britain's capacity for hard work, innovation and social commitment - having seen how much "ordinary people" (and businesses) have achieved in producing PPE, setting up local groups to provide support to those in need, helping to prepare and deliver food, and myriad other imaginative and innovative projects set up in a very short space of time - much of it undertaken voluntarily. It is not their capacity for inventiveness, organisation and hard work that worries me - these qualities are already evident. I don't have the same faith in our government which has completely mismanaged everything and has left us with nothing but uncertainty and confusion. We now have a huge death toll, despite the fact that, as an island, we are geographically advantaged and also had far more time to look, learn and prepare for this health emergency.

Maizie I believe Gove is the malevolent force. He's also very close to Cummings. I think they knew that Johnson would be a more popular choice as the front man.

I note that the Covid response team (or whatever it's called) has now been divided between the two of them, Johnson and Gove, and the rest have been sidelined. Johnson will continue to be the "face" of government (when he turns up or his minders let him out) and Gove (with Cummings) will be the ones behind the scenes, pulling all the strings, manipulating public opinion and silencing dissenters, such as scientists.

It's bad news.

Grany AFAIK My MP doesn't have vested interests in health care. She's an ideological libertarian, who's also a careerist. She's the Equalities Minister who doesn't believe systemic racism exists and had never heard of the Marmot Review. She's an appalling MP, who knows very well that this constituency would vote for a donkey with a blue rosette (her words).

Maizie I fear not, possibly not even in my lifetime. What is so terribly sad is that it was the "people" themselves who chose this path.

As somebody who studied the society of 1930s Germany in great detail, I am reminded of the films of the Americans taking local Germans to visit the death camps in 1945. The Americans did it to show Germans what they had done and there were some who genuinely could not see the connection with how they had voted in 1933 and the outcome of their vote. I do not believe they were evil people, but they had just never thought through the consequences of their actions, which had destroyed democracy in Germany.

The message from those films has stayed with me for decades.

Do you think we'll get democracy back in the future, growstuff?

Parliamentary democracy, I mean, where it all works as it should and doesn't become a place to be manipulated by anyone with a huge majority?

Tories feel as though they've been working hard to get enabling law in place over the past 4 years.

Yes a lot of MPs are no good some have financial interests in private health companies.

There is absolutely nothing anybody can do to stop this in the short term. However, history is a process. What has been lost can be regained, however long it takes.

Thank goodness Labour now has an electable leader, who might just win the next election and the country can start to rebuild.

My MP is a careerist who is about as lazy as Johnson and couldn't care less what her more dissenting constituents says. Her response to the Cummings incident was farcical.

Never was the term lobby fodder more apt than in the ridiculous spectacle of the "Mogg Conga", a mile long line of MPs slowly walking around the HoC to vote like robots.

I guess letting the public know what's happening

The public, looking at some responses on here over the past year or so to what's happening in the NHS, aren't that bothered.

Writing to your MP

My MP is one of Johnson's lobby fodder.

Well American take over began with Thatcher and Reagan He wanted all state owned stuff privatised to begin the American penitration of U.K state owned services trillions to be made in the privatisation of the NHS So there was a plan the propaganda to fool general populace into believing that NHS was failing so to eventually hand it all over to private companies, which is well on the way now.

The book The Deceit Syndrome by Dr Paul Hobday explains a lot the privatising of our NHS covers politics history and the gradual take over from state ownership NHS into private hands.

The NHS Heist film by Dr Bob Gill

I guess letting the public know what's happening
Writing to your MP

How, Grany? How?

And what's happening to our NHS in secret under our noses.

The NHS is being replaced by forty-four US-style insurance-based private organisations.

This was the plan all along and great chunks of it are already private it hides under the NHS logo.

Health care is a service we must transform it into a business
Like any business therefore we must separate it into purchaser and provider.

Now we know we must try to stop this.

It's not one that I can see as being winnable, growstuff.

Public opinion counts for nothing, expert opinion counts for nothing.

I see this morning that the NFU has started a petition about food standards

www.nfuonline.com/news/latest-news/food-standards-petition/

What good will that do? Most of their stupid members voted for this...

The government was still promising as recently as January that food standards wouldn't be lowered to enable a trade agreement with the US.

Anybody who cares about animal welfare, food standards and the future of British farmers should be worried.

This isn't an old battle.

It isn’t an old battle grandad Truss is negotiating the introduction of this poor welfare meat.

I for one will do everything in my power to avoid eating it, and I suspect there are a lot of people who feel the same both for health reason. (The incidents of salmonella is far higher in the USA than the uk) and for animal welfare reasons..

I am a meat eater, but because of both reasons I only eat meat every third day now and purchase directly from a West Country farmer, who farms organically and all the animals are primarily grass fed. Each animal at slaughter is killed in the most stress free way that is possible. (Very early in the morning, having travelled a couple of miles to the abattoir, and the only animal entering a completely clean room)

I think if you eat meat and animals unwillingly give their lives, then it is up to me to ensure as good as life and death as is possible.

None of the animals from the USA will have been shown that respect.

Food poisoning data:

One in six people in the US get food poisoning each year.

In the UK it's one in sixty. At the moment...

I am getting more and more upset that things that have been predicted ever since the Leave vote, which were dismissed as 'Project Fear' on this forum, are turning into Project Reality. Food standards effectively done away with and loss of food trade with the EU as we'll never be able to prove that our foods aren't contaminated with American crap. The NHS being further broken up and privatised.

It'll be employment and workers rights next as unemployment hits unprecedented highs as a result of C19 and people will accept any terms and conditions in desperation.

The utter stupidity of destroying our economy, health and wellbeing for the sake of lies on the side of a bus and illegally paid for 'dark adverts' continues to depress and anger me.

Whether the present situation is what the electorate of the North East wanted or not is irrelevant.

Brexit is done, and with a conservative eighty seat majority in parliament, that decision will be in no way overturned. For better or for worse we all must go forward from the above, with or without a trade agreement in December.

All should accept that situation and then the country can work towards making the best from what that circumstance is.

Continuing to fight old lost battles resolves nothing.

And our lovely government voted not to guarantee food standards in the Agriculture Bill:

www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/Article/2020/05/13/Agriculture-Bill-MPs-don-t-back-import-standards-call

You might not be able to avoid eating animal products, even if you don't eat meat:

“In the US, producers adhere to a “Defects Levels Handbook,” which sets out the maximum number of foreign bodies like maggots, insect fragments and mould that can be in food products before they are put on the market.

“For example, US producers are allowed to include up to 30 insect fragments in a 100g jar of peanut butter; as well as 11 rodent hairs in a 25g container of paprika; or 3mg of mammalian excreta (typically rat or mouse excrement) per each pound of ginger.”

www.businessinsider.com/rat-hairs-and-maggots-may-warned-of-reality-of-us-brexit-trade-deal-2018-10?r=UK

Mmmm! Yummy! Takes the idea of seasoning to a whole new level.

growstuff, the simple answer is to avoid eating it:

www.peta.org/features/are-humans-supposed-to-eat-meat/

growstuff? nothing except presumably some eat meat.

You won't know what kind of meat you're eating in schools, hospitals, take-aways or processed foods such as pies.

PS. Not sure what this has to do with the North East.

You know about American meat and the poor welfare conditions under which it suffers as live animals?

And you know that people have said if you don’t like it don’t buy it?

We aren’t going to have that choice.

This is the plan

Here's another "Brexit gain":

1) USA wants unlabelled meat in the UK so they can foist their shit chicken on us

2) but if only US meat is unlabelled..that means we can spot their shit food

3) so..with our "increased sovereignty", the US will lobby for ALL meat to be unlabelled

I met a Remain voter from the North East. The mindset in the North East in 2016 was kick David Cameron as a Tory. They felt neglected and overlooked so they were agianst the EU because David Cameron was for the EU. They did not think the problem through properly. When Brexit really bites they will return to Labour as will other voters who could not abide Jeremy Corbyn's hard left Labour or did not vote at all. Cummings used his manipulative skills to con the disaffected even though he and his kind made them disgruntled. Cummings, Johnson and co. will eventually face the wrath of the nation they have tricked.

In the meantime only Parliament and to a lesser extent the media can influence the powers that be. They HAVE TO COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY.