Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter

Well, he was Jewish!!

Jesus could very well have been black. He was born in the Middle East, so he would almost certainly have had brown skin and had Middle Eastern features.

Yes it could happen Smileless

It could happen couldn't it Annie.

It's PC thinking going too far *hugshelp. There's a huge difference between re setting the balance and tipping the scales to the other extreme.

I do actually think, 'black lives matter too' would work better (not that it's my right to decide that at all, but trying to be objective and look at what is happening) because
a) whenever someone stands up and says they need more help, right, recognition, pay, whatever it might, someone else always stands up and says, 'what about me' That someone is often trying to hang on to the 'more' that they already have but it just gives them a stick to beat you with
b) it makes it crystal clear it's not about taking anything from anyone, just asking for the same
c) it reinforces the truth of the situation, that to some people black lives are not worth as much as white

I see no problem at all with having a black Jesus, a Chinese Jesus, etc, this is a good thing. But I think advocating removal of ALL white ones is equally problematic. Far too often PC thinking goes too far and stokes up racism. Especially when the press gets hold of it and tells us things like Christmas is banned in a predominantly Christian country (this may no longer be the case but I think there's still white Christians who would like SOME white Jesus statues too)

Smileless2012

Shaun King a racial justice advocate, has called for all statues depicting Jesus as white and of European descent should be removed immediately. He's said "yes, I think the statues of the white European they claim is Jesus, should also come down. They are a form of white supremacy. Always have been."

Archbishop Justin Welby has tweeted with 4 paintings in which the artist of each has portrayed Jesus in accordance with his own ethnicity.

He say "you see a black Jesus, Chinese Jesus, a middle Eastern Jesus which is of course the most accurate and a Fijian Jesus. Jesus is portrayed in as many ways as there are cultures, languages and understandings".

Shaun King is an idiot then.

So many things were done in the past, has anyone ever read about what the Belgians did in the Congo?Small children had hands or feet chopped off and that was just the children......
Yes, history should be acknowledged ( few countries get away with having no shameful episodes) especially European ones .

There were many thugs out in force on the streets recently, and although I tend to agree with you Tooting all peaceful protests/ demos etc have to be allowed, it’s the mark of a liberal country.

Can we expect church windows to be smashed too.

Shaun King a racial justice advocate, has called for all statues depicting Jesus as white and of European descent should be removed immediately. He's said "yes, I think the statues of the white European they claim is Jesus, should also come down. They are a form of white supremacy. Always have been."

Archbishop Justin Welby has tweeted with 4 paintings in which the artist of each has portrayed Jesus in accordance with his own ethnicity.

He say "you see a black Jesus, Chinese Jesus, a middle Eastern Jesus which is of course the most accurate and a Fijian Jesus. Jesus is portrayed in as many ways as there are cultures, languages and understandings".

Johnson has said that you can't change history and yet his predecessors have doen just that. There is a shocking article in the Guardian by George Monbiot about the atrocities committed by the Brits in Africa post WW2. For example, concentration camps built in Kenya which housed 1 million Kikuyu people who were trying to reclaim their land. The British authorities, including a former governor Sir Evelyn Baring, were complicit in covering up those events. Baring,by the way, is the grandfather of one Mary Wakefield who is no stranger to making up stories.

What shocks (and angers) me is the fact that we have been taken out of the EU on the strength of votes from those turnip brains and their ilk.

These are 'The People' that the tories have been pandering to for the last 4 years... The ones who knew exactly what they were voting for.

Mindless ignorant idiots out for a fight, mostly white males, probably beered up on cheap lager. It reminds me of the mindless football hooligans of the 1970s. I wouldn't give them air time or allow them to protest

No Eloethan I am not shocked by it either.

At least we now know why they are so against the removal of statues. What else would they urinate on?

Starblaze Yes, it is dreadful but I'm not shocked by it.

Actually, I think it's rather useful that these louts (sorry if that description offends some people on here) are actually confirming what people like Trump dispute. They are not "patriots" or "very fine people" - they are ignorant thugs and, self-acknowledged racists, who hide behind phony outrage in an attempt to justify their hatred and violence.

Chanting not changing. Although protesting against BLM was pretty obviously racist, I was shocked to hear them say it

There are crowds of anti BLM protesters changing

"we're racist and that's the way we like it"

I'm horrified at what is going on right now.

Ashamed to be British.

One of the thugs said to a reporter he was out to defend the reputation of the person who killed Hitler. Doh!

Whitewave There is a lot of phone footage of the man who spat at a young woman in that Hyde Park incident. He's clearly identifiable, so hopefully somebody will ID him and he'll be prosecuted.

Collectively, they appear to have the intelligence of a turnip.

That wasn't a demo ,that was thugs are us out defending other thugs on plinths .History needs to be taught warts and all ,Churchill WAS a racist ,its strangely missing from most history books and not taught in schools.His statue like other racists and slave traders/owners etc shouldn't be out there without plaques describing their actions.

Police were injured during the first London demo

The BBC can’t continue like this and claim to be a national broadcasting company

Sorry, but the BBC reporting on today’s ‘protests’ in Central London, and specifically Whitehall, is utterly disgraceful. Not a single mention of racists or thuggery, and no mention of the fact that there is no BLM protest. I’m ashamed of them. #BBC #whitewashing

There is now footage of a group of people in Hyde park sat on blankets chatting, and a crowd of thugs walking up and completely trashing their picnic.

Thank god for phone footage, no one would have believed it otherwise!

How can any one even begin to defend these people

A lot of people were unhappy with the thought that statues were going to end up in rivers which drove many of them to go and show support for the statues.

Either wrongly or rightly

There's also more than a few military men , 'protecting' the statues.

Of course this has given rise to those ghastly EDL types who will do anything for a fight.

So that's the issue.

I also agree with paddyanne.

It most certainly is not just left wingers who support BLM.

It's decent people from all walks of life

paddyanne you are absolutely right the - BLM represent individuals human rights. They have zero to do with a particular political spectrum.

Peacful ,socially distnced protests here to EV ,but I'm fairly convinced it not JUST left wingers who support BLM or equality or who stand against police brutality .In fact I 'm very saddened that you believe its a political stance instead of a human rights one .