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Lexisgranny Wed 10-Jun-20 10:33:30

Much has been written universally about the appalling murder of George Floyd and the subsequent global reaction. I wholeheartedly agree that not only black people, but other ethnic minorities have been, and still are experiencing unacceptable discrimination, which must stop.
The removal of the statue of Edward Colston in Bristol has resulted in demands for all statues of those connected with the slave trade being removed. This has now escalated to calls for this to be extended to road signs etc that incorporate their names.
My question is what about the hospitals, schools and charitable institutions that were endowed by those who benefited from slavery and bear their names? Where does it stop? For example Guys Hospital was founded by Thomas Guy, a philanthropist who had made a great deal of money from the South Sea Company. Will public opinion demand that it’s name be changed? Discrimination and slavery are abhorrent, but as to the rest, I don’t know, but would be very interested to hear what Gransnetters think.

Summerlove Fri 12-Jun-20 16:39:18

I feel like I’m in a parallel world.

How on earth are statues more important than peoples lives?

growstuff Fri 12-Jun-20 15:52:47

Sadiq Khan has already had the Churchill statue and some others boarded up. They're quite safe.

Loislovesstewie Fri 12-Jun-20 15:51:13

A manhole cover is an inspection cover, self explanatory.

growstuff Fri 12-Jun-20 15:49:14

How do you know?

EllanVannin Fri 12-Jun-20 15:48:33

I doubt that he'll be there Growstuff, but his followers will be.

EllanVannin Fri 12-Jun-20 15:47:27

His name hasn't been mentioned once ?

EllanVannin Fri 12-Jun-20 15:46:43

Oswald Mosely, WWM2.

growstuff Fri 12-Jun-20 15:43:18

Apparently, Tommy Robinson is organising some kind of protest in London tomorrow. BLM have called on people not to attend.

growstuff Fri 12-Jun-20 15:40:33

Exactly janeainsworth. I wonder if some people have a sort of parody bypass.

Grammaretto Fri 12-Jun-20 15:34:36

Dinahmo thanks. That is rather sad but interesting.
I had thought we were the only country in Europe who kept triumphalist views.

Years ago probably 1980s a young German teacher living here in Scotland told me he didn't object to Germans being portrayed as evil (which they often were) but not stupid, as they were in all the boys' comics at the time. It was tongue in cheek but it was then I began to notice these things.

janeainsworth Fri 12-Jun-20 15:12:33

I've just been reading that it was because the major made racist comments about the West Indian cricket team
Yes growstuff that’s what I read too.
But John Cleese and Connie Booth were actually calling out racism, not condoning it.
If anyone should have been offended, it should have been retired army officers of a certain age who were being portrayed as bumbling, racist bigots.
Private Eye have a column in which the current Prime Minister is portrayed in an unflattering but nevertheless amusing light.
It doesn’t mean the magazine supports them or their policies.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 12-Jun-20 14:28:07

Which statue?

EllanVannin Fri 12-Jun-20 14:26:52

Where in London is the statue then, WWM2 ?

Whitewavemark2 Fri 12-Jun-20 14:26:06

A colour bar introduced by Winston Churchill prevented Manchester boxer Len Johnson from becoming a champion – now a new campaign wants to recognise him with a statue in the city.

Glad this idea is catching on! Long overdue...

EllanVannin Fri 12-Jun-20 14:25:26

All that's happening now will feed the far right. It'll see Tommy Robinson dusting off the moth-balls.
It's going to happen !

Even the blacks don't want this---ripping the country apart.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 12-Jun-20 14:21:23

James O'Brien
@mrjamesob
My favourite politicians are the ones who vote to close libraries but claim that statues of slavers are of immense educational importance.

EllanVannin Fri 12-Jun-20 14:19:25

It might be obvious to you but it isn't to me.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 12-Jun-20 14:19:08

???

EllanVannin Fri 12-Jun-20 14:17:59

Where does the statue of Oswald Mosely stand ?

GGumteenth Fri 12-Jun-20 14:09:26

I don't know which is worst---far left or far right, there's NO middle ground whatsoever and it's totally wrong.

Obviously there is a middle ground. The fact that you don't recognise it does not make it disappear.

EllanVannin Fri 12-Jun-20 13:51:04

I don't know which is worst---far left or far right, there's NO middle ground whatsoever and it's totally wrong.
It's alright those getting their own way but what about the other millions to be considered in this country ?

I'm not personally bothered about statues as I don't know who half of them are but Churchill who saved this country from a fate worse than death is there because we can have this discussion so let's not forget that.
I'd be happy to see General de Gaulle left alone too in London.

Iam64 Fri 12-Jun-20 13:38:39

ExD - there is a poster called blackgran. I hope she doesn't find your entire post as offensive as this white gran does.

lemongrove Fri 12-Jun-20 13:35:30

Davidhs

Manhole - Operative Aperture, has been for years

So if anyone dislikes the word manhole, they now know where to tell someone to stick it.?

GGumteenth Fri 12-Jun-20 13:27:13

Are you now suggesting that those who protest are by that very fact "idiots" EllanVannin? Why? Because they don't agree with you?

Damaging property is covered under the law and can be dealt with by that. Why the name calling? Just as you suggest than the particular protesters you are decrying are there to rid themselves of their anxiety and dread, I might be tempted to think that is the reason behind your constant name calling.

If it is anxiety and dread that drives them, wouldn't it be better to find out why they are anxious and what they dread and do something about it?

EllanVannin Fri 12-Jun-20 13:09:41

It is wanton damage carried out by protesters/ idiots who just want to create mayhem, nothing else, GGumteenth. They're only there to rid themselves of their angst, without a thought what anything stands for.