Marcus Rashford letter

You can deny all you want Urm we can read your posts where you brought in the issue of his father and how many men were involved in producing his siblings

My viewpoint doesn’t need to ‘wash’ with you sw.
Fortunately.

Urmstongran

Your family isn’t every family though is it CurlyW?

Look, I’m not saying these children don’t need a square meal and if it has to be on the State, so be it. I’m disgusted MP’s have the luxury of subsidised meals when they earn £85k p.a. too! But I am saying some dads need to step up.

Stop your disingenuity - it won’t wash with me. You brought MR’s dad into it and made a snide comment about the number of fathers involved in his family. And then you tried to pretend you were making a general point about absent fathers in general. Some of us might think you were making sweeping points about one parent families and especially black ones.

Urmstongran, of course 'some dads need to step up'. Johnson could be included in that. One of his adult children described him as selfish and uncaring. One of his mistresses had their child, then terminated another another . Both those pregnancies occurred when he was married and living with his wife and some of his children. I'm not criticising her choice to terminate her pregnancy but this serves to remind some posters that not all children are the result of a planned pregnancy.

Marcus Rashford has hit a nerve in the country. So many people are ashamed that we have hungry children. Small local businesses that are struggling in this pandemic are offering to feed children. One Tory MP in Devon posted relief the businesses are doing so well they can afford to do that and so, won't need government help during the current lockdown restrictions.

Talk about Dickensian or an Angela's Ashes approach to the poor and needy. To continue the football theme, it seems the government has well and truly lost the dressing room with this debacle.

I'm put in mind of the Monty Python sketch Ug. What have the Romans ever done for us?

OK, you're right about this, and that, and this other thing, but here's this one tiny irrelevant example that I can cling to for dear life.....

Your family isn’t every family though is it CurlyW?

Look, I’m not saying these children don’t need a square meal and if it has to be on the State, so be it. I’m disgusted MP’s have the luxury of subsidised meals when they earn £85k p.a. too! But I am saying some dads need to step up.

Well Suziewoozie for the record Urmstongran might like to know that despite us all having the same dad we still struggled where money was concerned! ?

Curlywhirly

Well Urmstongran my dad bug*ered off leaving my Mum with 3 young children; despite him paying her child maintenance and my poor Mum having 3 part-time low paid jobs, she still struggled to make ends meet. So even if dads are contributing, it can still mean families struggle; indeed, many families with both parents employed (in low-paid jobs) can find it hard to provide even the basics in life for their families.

Well no doubt Urm will have comments to make on how many actual fathers there were involved in producing you and your siblings and that discussions of any achievements of any of you had to involve a discussion of your dad/s.

Regarding absent fathers and victim blaming, to paraphrase the woman in the march a wee while ago:

"I can't believe we still have to argue against this s**t"

I’ve just read that list of MPs who have voted to deprive hungry children of food.
I see Scottish Conservatives have voted on something that is of no concern of theirs.
At least the SNP are ethical in refusing to vote on non-Scottish matters.

Well Urmstongran my dad bug*ered off leaving my Mum with 3 young children; despite him paying her child maintenance and my poor Mum having 3 part-time low paid jobs, she still struggled to make ends meet. So even if dads are contributing, it can still mean families struggle; indeed, many families with both parents employed (in low-paid jobs) can find it hard to provide even the basics in life for their families.

Urmstongran

Whatever, vegansrock.

Back then to Rashford’s dad ... ??
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It wasn’t generic dads you were having a go at - do keep up and at least RYOP

Susiewoozie spot on it's often thought of as poor families alone who are in this predicament .

urmstongran that is a concern but in these times I would turn concern equally to the point raised by grany - excellent point grany one that the media could turn to again if they were inclined to . Plus if the government were to spend time thinking things through properly it could be handled in a much better way

Men who dont take responsibility for their children are arseholes and I mean responsibility in the widest sense,not just financial, the way to tackle this is to stop demonising single mothers (which still happens) and to support those children to gain education and security(i.e feed them as a bare bloody minimum). My guess is marcus rashford will be an excellent father partly because he was given support.

Seems I’ve touched a nerve?
Sorry but I think it is relevant - taxpayers seem to be ‘dad’ these days. Why is this acceptable behaviour?

I’ve already said giving a child a hot school dinner is important.

But that doesn’t negate an underlying problem in some families does it?

Dads need to take responsibility too! What’s wrong with saying that?

Just stop it Urm about his father - have you any idea how this is coming across? WTAF has his father to do with the issue here? He was brought up by a good mother against all odds and is a young man that represents hope in our society at a time when it’s in short supply.
Your comment about vouchers and the pub is also lazy stereotyping that I won’t even dignify with a response other than are you Ben Bradley’s mother?

Being a father is about so much more than throwing money at your children and certainly has nothing do with going to court to stop their existence being made known .

Whatever, vegansrock.

Back then to Rashford’s dad ... ??
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Support his many children? what’s the evidence for that? Pay off the ex wives and mistresses with gagging orders more like.

Very witty swbut not quite the right analogy as I hear Boris is at his wit’s end coming up with enough dosh to support his many children.

Big difference.
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‘And the elephant in the room as far as I’m concerned, is where are the dads in some ‘families’? ‘

He’s in No 10 Downing Street and it’s a bit mean to call him an elephant, he says he’s lost 2 stone.

By the way it’s called food technology these days. In my day it was Cookery Lessons. Very good they were too.

Food Technology?? What piffle!

I think it’s good that Boris is about to ‘U’ turn on this. Covid has struck some families very hard and an extra burden must be that some children as a consequence are missing their free hot dinner at school. Fair enough.

That said I hope it’s done in such a way that vouchers (or whatever) can’t be sold down the pub for cash.

And the elephant in the room as far as I’m concerned, is where are the dads in some ‘families’?

Why did Rashford’s mum have to work her socks off doing 3 part time jobs to feed her 3 children? Where was the father? Or fathers plural? And if split up, where was his/their financial support for the kids? What kind of a man just bu*gers off?

I’m trying to think of the benefit of not giving food to a hungry child.

Whatever parents have/haven’t done is not the fault of the child and in any case the vast majority of parents are responsible and care for their children lovingly.

Some parents won’t be ideal parents, it’s true, but it was ever thus, and it’s our duty to be a safety net for those children who are in need.

The Expenses of the 300+ MPs Who Voted Against Free School Meals for Children – Dorset Eye

This Is How Much They Have Claimed in Expenses in the Last Year

322 MPs have recently voted against free meals for children in dire circumstances.

These MPs have believe that poor children are not entitled to free meals, whilst simultaneously claiming tens of thousands in expenses each year. This site allows you to find out if your MP has voted against this motion, as well as how much they have claimed for themselves. Starts off with MP
Kevin Hollinrake Expences claimed 19/20 £88,197.05

dorseteye.com/the-expenses-of-the-300-mps-who/

Jeremy Hunt has not got a leg to stand on over this. Why does he not stand up and support children and condemn the government? He is not worth approximately 14 million pounds for nothing. Too busy on the freebies.