Update on Help hold the government to account for Covid-19 care home deaths *Title edited by GNHQ*

Quizquen yes it is very sad that families are unable to care for their loved ones who are doubly incontinent, have advanced dementia, high blood pressure, leg ulcers and are unable to walk even with a walker, can’t remember who they are , let alone who you are.
How many families do you know who have at least 2 members who are qualified to change catheters, are strong enough to lift the loved ones into the shower and wash them, dry them and then dress them, get them in and out of the bed and do all of the other things that are needed every minute of every day, like feeding , laundry and trying to keep them from getting unmanageable possibly for years? Not to mention trying to get a GP to come and sort out UTIs.
Note for the future Quizqueen, make sure at least 2 of your relatives are fully trained and that your home is fully equipped, then you might not end up in a home.

It's not me Jane10. It's a Dr Cathy Gardner.

If you are interested it's probably worth going back to the page and reading what was said originally. I did put a link in the OP. If it was unlawful conduct, as Dr Gardner thinks it was, we need to know sooner rather than later. I think all your questions are answered on her page.

Having cared for elderly relatives, one in our own home, others in their own homes, , I know how difficult it can be even if they have some physical ability and still have their mental faculties..
I have another older relative who probably should have gone into a care home because of rapid dementia but the virus came and it proved impossible; it's very worrying as we are not near to help.
So that was a very insensitive remark, quizqueen.

I am reminded of the remark by the Scottish expert on dementia, Professor June Roberts, who said that COVID19 could be quite useful in taking bed blockers out of the system.

It does make one wonder if this was a plan.

Thank you GillT57.

I suppose by taking action people feel they are at least trying to do something, bring it to attention. We all realise that nothing ever comes of any inquiry, but at least we try. If we do nothing, if we do not write to MPs, sign petitions, whatever, it looks as if we agree with the governmental action, are in some way complicit. It is like with the historical sexual abuse victims; it doesn't alter the fact that it happened, but it may stop if happening to someone else, and it is acknowledgement that these elderly people who died prematurely had families who loved them and cared, even if they were unable to look after them at home. Harsh comment there QQ, which must be very hurtful to those who are already feeling guilty, as if they have failed their elderly relatives who died. Nobody, I can assure you from experience, takes that decision lightly.

quizqueen - I'm afraid that your comments only show how little you know about caring for the elderly.

You try looking after someone with dementia and see how you get on, or someone blind and incontinent.

DH and I tried it for a while and despite our best efforts couldn't manage it.

If it was so easy care homes wouldn't be needed.

What do you actually want from this though? Older people were very badly served by the Scottish government. Nothing can bring these lost loved ones back. Are you wanting compensation money, an apology, a promise not to overlook them again? Personally, I doubt that an expensive court case can be of much use.

Quizqueen why do you imagine people go to live in care homes and nursing homes?

GG I think most of us recognise & accept that there comes a stage in some people’s lives where professional care is by far the best option for that person.
Don’t take thoughtless, insensitive comments personally

I feel appalled that so many died needlessly in Care Homes, and the careless attitude from the government towards the elderly IMO was sadly apparent at the outset of the lockdown.

Were we not warned by our PM that sadly many of our loved ones were likely to die? How many of the over 70s of us expected at that time to be admitted to hospital if we became ill, never mind put on a respirator.

It was reported that elderly were in fact contacted by GP surgeries and asked that if they became ill did they want to be admitted to hospital or want resuscitating. Some elderly were still enjoying a quality of life at that time.

Even if this case gets nowhere in the High Court there surely has to be an enquiry into all the handling of the Coronavirus pandemic at some time.

Regarding people in care homes that is a very unkind remark quizqueen. Many families care for their loved ones at home for as long as they are able. A friend of mine has a husband with altzeimers. She looked after him at home for as long as she could, coping with the worry of his disappearing on two occasions, and finally with him turning violent and having to be sectioned under the Mental Health Act. He is now in a care home, well looked after and seemingly happy and she visits every day. My own mil had dementia which finally got so bad she had to go in when her weight dropped to 5 stone.

Absolutely gobsmacking response from quizqueen

It's a scandal that so many care home residents died unnecessarily and the lies put out by ministers about taking 'extensive measures' to protect residents and staff are unbelieveable. Do they think we are all so stupid and shallow that we'll forget about residents being turfed out of hospitals, untested, to take covid19 back to their Care Homes. Or the chronic shortage of PPE?

I suppose that the answer to my question is actually 'yes', some people are that stupid

Sorry quizqueen. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion but a home was by far the best place for my mother at that stage, whatever we could have offered her.

Oh great. Thanks for that quizqueen. My mother died, aged 99, in a care home, in February. She had been there for just over a year. I would love to know how I was supposed to go on caring for her.

It is very sad that many elderly people in care homes have died but, what is more sad in my opinion, is that they had no family willing or able to take them and care for them.