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Johnson and a new deal

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Whitewavemark2 Mon 29-Jun-20 12:38:58

If as has been hinted, by Cummings and a Johnson, that they are intending to launch a FDR type of economic new deal, I for one would be very open to the idea if the recovery and it’s policies were directed at the hardest hit, just as Roosevelt did in the 30s.

It means if they are indeed going to follow the plan it will mean a complete reversal of Tory economics since the Thatcher years.

It means that will recognise the importance of government spending as a driver to boost consumer demand.

It means that there will be government spending on large scale infrastructure to kick start a failing economy.

It means the implication of Keynesian Economic Policies - something some of us have been banging on about for years.

It means that it will concentrate on creating jobs, and those sectors hit the hardest.

I do hope that they are up to it as they don’t fill me with confidence at the moment.

I’m not sure how they will sell it to the right wing of the party, or indeed those people like we have on here who have for years rejected the notion, as “spending money we don’t have”
Although I am sure they will find a reason why suddenly Keynesian is the thing.

We will wait and watch.

GGumteenth Tue 30-Jun-20 17:56:56

So Grandad, you would rather have a Tory government than work with the current leadership of the Labour Party? The words nose and face come to mind.

Davidhs Tue 30-Jun-20 18:00:47

Increased Apprenticeships

Yes, if they are actually completed to the point where a qualified experienced craftsperson graduates, in recent years that has been a very low rate.

Greta Tue 30-Jun-20 18:43:53

Our future looks bright because, according to Boris Johnson, we are world leaders in almost every field. And now we are going to spend what amounts to £100 per person to kickstart the economy. Also, rejoice, we have a new mantra: Build, Build, Build. We shall build ”better, greener and faster.” Please, Prime Minister, spare us the meaningless soundbites. They are getting tiresome.

varian Tue 30-Jun-20 18:48:09

We are world leaders in allowing the covid 19 virus to spread uncontrolled, well perhaps third in the world after the USA and Brazil.

The top three populist leaders Trump, Bolsinaro and Johnson are good at getting elected by lying through their teeth and spending huge amounts of money to fool the most gullible electors, but absolutely useless at governing for the good of the people who elected them.

Ramblingrose22 Tue 30-Jun-20 19:09:14

Yes greta and varian, Johnson is a world leading liar and clown. We have the highest rate of deaths per 100,000 population in the G7 countries too - whoopee! What an achievement!

I am very pleased if we are going to build more houses - and that it will be done without any more corrupt interference from the Robert Jenricks of this world. Politicians shouldn't be allowed to overturn planning decisions made by Planning Inspectors.

Does anyone know if the money offered new money ? I do hope so.

growstuff Tue 30-Jun-20 19:25:17

The Conservatives have been bleating on about apprenticeships for years. I wonder what they're planning to do that they haven't done in the past. I agree with Davidhs that quality apprenticeships are needed.

I also agree with house building, but we've been there before with that one. The opposition is likely to come from the NIMBY Tory shire dwellers. Lots of potential for making a fast buck, especially for farmers whose businesses will be decimated.

growstuff Tue 30-Jun-20 19:27:51

Jabberwok

Why is it that left wingers, apart from Grandad, are so flipping rude all the time on a personal level, making normal conversation virtually impossible?!

He's not rude to right wingers. I suspect there's an affinity.

Ilovecheese Tue 30-Jun-20 19:30:43

When have I ever been rude jabberwok?

vegansrock Tue 30-Jun-20 19:34:14

I wonder if the Boris fan club could criticise the government on anything?

Ramblingrose22 Tue 30-Jun-20 19:58:04

growstuff - I think Grandad would be mortified at your suggestion that he has an affinity with right wingers.

So far I have found him to be quite respectful - unlike so many left wingers' posts I have seen on Twitter and FB. They're not interested in any kind of debate. They just want to throw personal insults because they don't know how to argue.

Let's hope that planning restrictions will not be relaxed so much that people will cash in and be allowed to build 2-storey houses in their back gardens (worse than "beds in sheds"), that the new houses to be built will not be rabbit hutches and that they will be affordable for those who so desperately need them.

vegansrock Tue 30-Jun-20 20:24:24

“We have learned that we cannot live alone, at peace; that our own well-being is dependent on the well-being of nations far away. We have learned that we must live as men, and not as ostriches nor as dogs in the manger. We have learned to be citizens of the world, members of the human community.”
― Franklin D. Roosevelt

Doesn't sound much like a Brexiter.....

Ramblingrose22 Tue 30-Jun-20 20:29:48

One minute Johnson fancies himself as another Churchill and today it's FDR's turn.

he obviously doesn't know the quote you have mentioned.

Who will it be tomorrow? Nelson Mandela?

GrannyGravy13 Tue 30-Jun-20 20:38:24

vegansrock

I wonder if the Boris fan club could criticise the government on anything?

Not every Conservative is a fan of Boris Johnson!

GGumteenth Tue 30-Jun-20 20:41:36

Jabberwok

Why is it that left wingers, apart from Grandad, are so flipping rude all the time on a personal level, making normal conversation virtually impossible?!

Why are you so rude, right wingers so rude, old people, young people, people in the middle. I rather think some of them, complaining, rudely and personally about others don't even realise they are considered ill mannered.

varian Tue 30-Jun-20 20:41:52

You are right GG13. I wouldn't say that Theresa May is a BJ fan.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 30-Jun-20 20:44:53

varian

You are right GG13. I wouldn't say that Theresa May is a BJ fan.

I now have two things in common with Theresa May, a love of shoes and deep dissatisfaction with Boris Johnson 😜👠

GGumteenth Tue 30-Jun-20 20:46:40

GrannyGravy13 grin

Janpt Tue 30-Jun-20 22:24:49

Maizie Don't talk such rubbish. The only ones likely to destroy the U.K. are the Marxist Labour party. Why can't you see them for what they are ? Just use some intelligence!!

MaizieD Tue 30-Jun-20 22:26:37

Persuade me, Janpt

GGumteenth Tue 30-Jun-20 22:43:55

Janpt

Maizie Don't talk such rubbish. The only ones likely to destroy the U.K. are the Marxist Labour party. Why can't you see them for what they are ? Just use some intelligence!!

Goodness. Now who was it we were told a few post back were rude?

growstuff Tue 30-Jun-20 23:25:43

Ramblingrose22

growstuff - I think Grandad would be mortified at your suggestion that he has an affinity with right wingers.

So far I have found him to be quite respectful - unlike so many left wingers' posts I have seen on Twitter and FB. They're not interested in any kind of debate. They just want to throw personal insults because they don't know how to argue.

Let's hope that planning restrictions will not be relaxed so much that people will cash in and be allowed to build 2-storey houses in their back gardens (worse than "beds in sheds"), that the new houses to be built will not be rabbit hutches and that they will be affordable for those who so desperately need them.

He has been incredibly rude to me - ironically, for being a LibDem member while expressing views which are sometimes more "socialist" than his. I do not find his views consistent at all. He appears to be obsessed with Labour Party policy and protocol, whilst rarely expressing concern for those whom the Labour Party should be supporting. He seems to have a problem with me personally (which doesn't bother me that much) and is, at times, quite spiteful and refuses to enter discussion and prefers personal sneers.

I agree with the rest of your post.

growstuff Tue 30-Jun-20 23:26:27

Other posters on this thread are just beneath contempt.

MaizieD Wed 01-Jul-20 07:16:35

What, all of us, growstuff?

vegansrock Wed 01-Jul-20 07:41:45

Glad Johnson mentioned statues and getting rid of environmental concerns in his speech. He might have mentioned trivial stuff like enormous death toll, the collapsing economy, the looming chaos of Brexit or the collapse of lockdown.

Furret Wed 01-Jul-20 08:35:45

I think FDR’s New Deal committed about 40% of GDP to the project. Boris has committed about 0.2% and this is money already accounted for.