Anyone live in Leicester? The lockdown there has been extended.

Furret

Good old English pub owners for being so sensible. Naughty Muslims for keeping mosques open.

Actually the first is hearsay and the second is a load of bollocks!

I agree, so does Public Health England.

All the pubs in our village are closed but we have campsites and caravan parks that aren't.

I have heard about mini buses being hired to take people to Nottingham from the lockdown area. But, I have also heard that police will be able to stop any vehicles they are concerned about.

In answer to your question Growstuff, Paddyanne said Facebook had printed lists of other places about to be shut down in the UK due to Corona. It reminds me of what history tells us about fake news, Lord HawHaw was one of many that used fake news to further his cause in the Second World War, the problem is done people believe it. Another post on here day stated that 9 million Chinese were about to come to the UK to live. It is about time that people were called out for promoting these stories,

Thank you Sparkling. I couldn't find it, but I didn't scroll right back.

To be fair, it wasn't just Facebook which was speculating about other places facing lockdown.

I get a bit fed up with people promoting silly stories too, which is why I try to find out the facts.

Did anyone see Peter Soulsby at his press conference though ? Very smiley, saying well yes, he did break the rules and visited a sick friend but she’s living with him now ! So that’s alright then
Omitting to mention the “girlfriend” aspect of the relationship

“Do as I say, not as I do “

Re No 5 on your list, growstuff it could be that more testing is the reason for the spike as claimed by the Mayor.

We will never know the true extent of this unless the whole population is tested and also tested for antibodies.
Does anyone know if more testing has been carried out in Leicester per head of population?

More testing = more cases
Less testing = fewer cases
It's called The Trump Theory

The government has already produced a report on the spike in Leicester

Without wanting to sound the least bit sarcastic I'd say that I'm amazed at the speed with which this report was produced and that it was produced so quickly is a credit to our highly professional Civil Service which some people want to see completely destroyed

Omitting to mention the “girlfriend” aspect of the relationship

Had he scrupulously observed 'the rules' he wouldn't have got the vital testing information out of the government any earlier. This is a complete red herring.

When even the Telegraph says:

In many ways, as Front Bench discussed yesterday, that the whole of Leicester has gone into another stringent lockdown is something of a failure of the test and trace system.

Then it is surely possible for government supporters to see that it is another failure of this government. Boris was declaring yesterday that the council's had received both Pillar 1 and Pillar 2 figures but they plainly had not received what they needed. The Telegraph also reports that As the chief executive of Rochdale Borough Council put it: “We are lacking the community information which would allow us to go to a particular street and take test and trace measures”.

Governing a country is more than being a clever liar who can win an election with those lies. It's also being able to ensure that the administration of huge systems work for the good of the country. From Universal Credit to running the Public Health system it is obvious that the Conservatives are just not up to it. In both cases they have underfunded at the most important points and misunderstood the complexity, and in both cases lives depend on them.

Universal Credit will improve in time. It replaced 6 different benefits & has been proven to substantially cut down on fraud as the various departments often didn’t share relevant information. The benefit system was unwieldy and in need of reform.

However I think we’ve discussed that in the past on its own thread.

Some scientists believe that C-19 is weakening. Many think locking down towns and cities independently isn’t necessary.

It will be interesting to see how this measure pans out. Unfortunately the government don’t have a crystal ball.

Urmstongran Unfortunately the government don't have a crystal ball

Perhaps one of the GN members could lend them theirs? ?????

Mine's useless, sorry

Did you see the Parliamentary committee this week, questioning those running Universal Credit UG. Your positivity is amazing but you do need to add some real world knowledge to it.

You say Many think locking down towns and cities independently isn’t necessary. I have a feeling all those area of the USA which thought similar things may well live (or die) regretting their stupidity. How can anyone know without the correct information? It really isn't a case of sticking your finger in the air and guessing when it comes to peoples lives. It could quite well be true that, had they had all the information, they could have had a more nuanced response but this government, who in your eyes can do no wrong, did not ensure it's provision did they.

Get real UG. This head in the sand reaction helps no one.

Some scientists believe that C-19 is weakening. Many think locking down towns and cities independently isn’t necessary.

Instead of wandering in with your vague assertions of what 'some scientists think', ug, perhaps you would like to give us a link to their valuable thoughts? Otherwise I think most of us will ignore them and stick with the scientists who seem to know what they're talking about.

Unfortunately the government don’t have a crystal ball.

What it does have is access to highly trained professional experts who have studied (yes, that's what that education paid for by the state was all about) past trends in their respective fields and are able to make reasonably accurate predictions of how action A will lead to result B.

And even the non expert general public is able to fairly accurately predict what late Saturday night/early Sunday morning, 4th/5th July, is going to look like on the streets and in the A & E departments of England

GrannyGravy13

Urmstongran Unfortunately the government don't have a crystal ball

Perhaps one of the GN members could lend them theirs? ?????

They don't need a crystal ball. Only idiots would think that is a clever reply. We have the ability to get and distribute the information and the government should be making that happen. No one, as their relatives catch it and die, will be talking about crystal balls - only about incompetent governments.

GGumpteenth ?

The armchair experts on GN are angrily out in force again I see.They know everything! No need for crystal balls where they are concerned, they are probably on the SAGE committee, have degrees in politics from Oxbridge Colleges and are possibly in the Shadow Cabinet.
They also have false images of themselves as superior beings.
Never mind, it gives the rest of us some wry amusement.

Yes quite lemongrove. All these well chosen links that are forever being put forward by certain quarters is rather tiresome. Are they blind to the fact that even the experts can’t agree on everything? The situation is evolving and it’s totally new for everyone.

Some on here will carp on about anything this government does and would be defending a Labour government that did the same. So predictable.

I wouldn't. If a labour government had behaved this way I would be furious. In the way that I am perfectly capable of criticising labour's last election campaign or other aspects of the party. I find the links really useful.

Thank you lemongrove
It’s a beggar these days to be an idiot with an opinion
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Urmstongran

Thank you lemongrove
It’s a beggar these days to be an idiot with an opinion
?

To be called an idiot is fairly mild compared to some insults that are banded around on the Political Threads.

Oops premature posting.......... ironically most of the insults do not emanate from those who voted Conservative ?

The problem is, Ug, that it isn't even your opinion. It's that of these unknown scientists.

lemongrove

The armchair experts on GN are angrily out in force again I see.They know everything! No need for crystal balls where they are concerned, they are probably on the SAGE committee, have degrees in politics from Oxbridge Colleges and are possibly in the Shadow Cabinet.
They also have false images of themselves as superior beings.
Never mind, it gives the rest of us some wry amusement.

You really do like to insult GN members when they see the flaws in this government don't you lemongrove and yet, while you attack the acquisition of knowledge it was that very government that thought that saying "we are following the science" every five minutes would let them off the hook and off actually having to be competent.

Of course they are quite right to use the knowledge of others, all we are asking is that they have some proficiency of their own when it comes to running a government.

You are quite insulting in your suggestion that anyone who choses to become more knowledgeable thinks themselves as superior. The reverse is true. The more you learn and listen to or read what others know the more you understand how very small your own knowledge is.

I am glad you are finding amusement from your pedestal of sand which seems to be built on a belief system that says "we don't believe in experts and we don't want them running the country". Sadly the rest of us will have to suffer from you beliefs and what seems to be a strong sense of inverted snobbery.

Urmstongran

Thank you lemongrove
It’s a beggar these days to be an idiot with an opinion
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I notice you did not quote what was actually said but twisted it to your own purpose - as happens oh so often.

However, if you have decided the cap fits, who am I to quarrel with your opinion?