Anyone live in Leicester? The lockdown there has been extended.

It seems a good idea to regard the virus as adapting to sporadic outbreaks .

Is it true about Leicester's clothing factories being staffed by underpaid Asian workers who have had to continue working as normal before the pandemic?

tickingbird

That’s all very well but WHICH experts do we listen to? They don't all agree.

A good point tickingbird.

What you usually see when peers - such as the scientists - get together, is that they discuss, not descend into personal attacks, and they find a way forward taking what appears to be the best from each. If it goes wrong, as it can do, they discuss why, learn and move forward. That may mean we have to listen to more than one source of information.

growstuff

tickingbird

That’s all very well but WHICH experts do we listen to? They don't all agree.

It would be helpful if you could state what they don't agree about and back up the claims.

...and make sure that your essay is clearly typed with no spelling mistakes and always name your quoted sources.
It will be handed back to you later with plenty of red pen corrections.You could be in the classroom for some time.

Is anyone unsure of how you catch Covid? No one sticks their hand on the hot cooker, or plunges themselves into boiling water. No one is constantly told not to do everything that will maim or kill you. I’d you do to want to get hurt, avoid. Until it’s gone you are wary.

GrannyGravy13

tickingbird

That’s all very well but WHICH experts do we listen to? They don't all agree.

You could get twenty experts in a room and get thirty different opinions.

Which is a major problem when trying to deal with an epidemic.

People tend to go with The Expert who’s opinion fits closest to their own narrative.

Same request to you. Are you speaking generally or about coronavirus? As far as I can tell, real experts do agree, but if you can show that they don't, I'd be genuinely interested in knowing who they are and what they have to say.

Are the rules back to how they were at the beginning of lockdown, across the board for Leicester?

I do agree growstuff* that it is the correct thing to ^lockdown Leicester or any other town/city which has an exceptionally high percentage of Covid-19 cases.

tickingbird

That’s all very well but WHICH experts do we listen to? They don't all agree.

It would be helpful if you could state what they don't agree about and back up the claims.

tickingbird

That’s all very well but WHICH experts do we listen to? They don't all agree.

You could get twenty experts in a room and get thirty different opinions.

Which is a major problem when trying to deal with an epidemic.

People tend to go with The Expert who’s opinion fits closest to their own narrative.

tickingbird

That’s all very well but WHICH experts do we listen to? They don't all agree.

Everybody agrees about facts. If you read the PHE report about Leicester (and I'm not going to apologise for posting a link to it), it's all about facts. It's mainly statistics, produced as graphs and charts. Unless the wrong or incomplete data has been put into the system, it's factual.

The facts are as I outlined above. The powers that be now know the characteristics of the people who are infected and have a good idea where they live. They know how coronavirus spreads and they want to stop that spread before it gets out of control.

Nobody has to be an expert to understand that.

Faced with the evidence, the government had to make a decision and, in my opinion, made the right to decision to lock down the city.

If anybody has an alternative suggestion, I'm sure the government would love to hear about it because locking down a city is never going to be without consequences.

Which "experts" have claimed anything different?

That’s all very well but WHICH experts do we listen to? They don't all agree.

Urmstongran

Thank you lemongrove
It’s a beggar these days to be an idiot with an opinion
?

I notice you did not quote what was actually said but twisted it to your own purpose - as happens oh so often.

However, if you have decided the cap fits, who am I to quarrel with your opinion?

lemongrove

The armchair experts on GN are angrily out in force again I see.They know everything! No need for crystal balls where they are concerned, they are probably on the SAGE committee, have degrees in politics from Oxbridge Colleges and are possibly in the Shadow Cabinet.
They also have false images of themselves as superior beings.
Never mind, it gives the rest of us some wry amusement.

You really do like to insult GN members when they see the flaws in this government don't you lemongrove and yet, while you attack the acquisition of knowledge it was that very government that thought that saying "we are following the science" every five minutes would let them off the hook and off actually having to be competent.

Of course they are quite right to use the knowledge of others, all we are asking is that they have some proficiency of their own when it comes to running a government.

You are quite insulting in your suggestion that anyone who choses to become more knowledgeable thinks themselves as superior. The reverse is true. The more you learn and listen to or read what others know the more you understand how very small your own knowledge is.

I am glad you are finding amusement from your pedestal of sand which seems to be built on a belief system that says "we don't believe in experts and we don't want them running the country". Sadly the rest of us will have to suffer from you beliefs and what seems to be a strong sense of inverted snobbery.

The problem is, Ug, that it isn't even your opinion. It's that of these unknown scientists.

Oops premature posting.......... ironically most of the insults do not emanate from those who voted Conservative ?

Urmstongran

Thank you lemongrove
It’s a beggar these days to be an idiot with an opinion
?

To be called an idiot is fairly mild compared to some insults that are banded around on the Political Threads.

Thank you lemongrove
It’s a beggar these days to be an idiot with an opinion
?

I wouldn't. If a labour government had behaved this way I would be furious. In the way that I am perfectly capable of criticising labour's last election campaign or other aspects of the party. I find the links really useful.

Yes quite lemongrove. All these well chosen links that are forever being put forward by certain quarters is rather tiresome. Are they blind to the fact that even the experts can’t agree on everything? The situation is evolving and it’s totally new for everyone.

Some on here will carp on about anything this government does and would be defending a Labour government that did the same. So predictable.

The armchair experts on GN are angrily out in force again I see.They know everything! No need for crystal balls where they are concerned, they are probably on the SAGE committee, have degrees in politics from Oxbridge Colleges and are possibly in the Shadow Cabinet.
They also have false images of themselves as superior beings.
Never mind, it gives the rest of us some wry amusement.

GGumpteenth ?

GrannyGravy13

Urmstongran Unfortunately the government don't have a crystal ball

Perhaps one of the GN members could lend them theirs? ?????

They don't need a crystal ball. Only idiots would think that is a clever reply. We have the ability to get and distribute the information and the government should be making that happen. No one, as their relatives catch it and die, will be talking about crystal balls - only about incompetent governments.

Some scientists believe that C-19 is weakening. Many think locking down towns and cities independently isn’t necessary.

Instead of wandering in with your vague assertions of what 'some scientists think', ug, perhaps you would like to give us a link to their valuable thoughts? Otherwise I think most of us will ignore them and stick with the scientists who seem to know what they're talking about.

Unfortunately the government don’t have a crystal ball.

What it does have is access to highly trained professional experts who have studied (yes, that's what that education paid for by the state was all about) past trends in their respective fields and are able to make reasonably accurate predictions of how action A will lead to result B.

And even the non expert general public is able to fairly accurately predict what late Saturday night/early Sunday morning, 4th/5th July, is going to look like on the streets and in the A & E departments of England

Did you see the Parliamentary committee this week, questioning those running Universal Credit UG. Your positivity is amazing but you do need to add some real world knowledge to it.

You say Many think locking down towns and cities independently isn’t necessary. I have a feeling all those area of the USA which thought similar things may well live (or die) regretting their stupidity. How can anyone know without the correct information? It really isn't a case of sticking your finger in the air and guessing when it comes to peoples lives. It could quite well be true that, had they had all the information, they could have had a more nuanced response but this government, who in your eyes can do no wrong, did not ensure it's provision did they.

Get real UG. This head in the sand reaction helps no one.

Mine's useless, sorry