Epstein/Maxwell/Prin ce Andrew

Could it look worse?

She is cute enough to have insurance , I bet all the facts are tucked away somewhere in case she has an accident ...

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i think we should be wary of victim blaming.
we don't know the details of the allegations.
and it is hard to even imagine the world that these victims were caught up in. that is one reason why it was is so hard to get out of it or report it.
the more hideous it is, the more outlandish ?unbelievable it sounds. similarly like the girls groomed and abused in uk.

Agree tickingbird a girl is beaten up, dumped naked on her parents front lawn ? No police called , no assault recorded

Possibly but there’s an awful lot of supposition with this case. I’m no fan of PA but he seems to be on trial by by media here. Also the mysterious death of Epstein, the lack of media interest in Clinton plus the huge amount of money Epstein had in his coffers,

I read an account yesterday of some woman purporting to have been ‘raped’ 30-40 times by Ghislaine Maxwell. She tells of being beaten, threatened with death and dumped naked on her parents’ front lawn. I smell fantasist in her case. I’m not defending anyone here but the media should be made to stop publishing lurid stories. The compensation claims will no doubt follow with the American lawyers rubbing their greedy hands.

tickingbird They may or may not be, but I think most men would, if they thought there were girls involved who had been trafficked, ask their lawyers to find a way they could help with the prosecution of those responsible, even if that was difficult. However if they knew that by doing so they would incriminate themselves things would be different. They would stay away.

Most men aren’t trisher. Those that aren’t in the public eye don’t come under such close scrutiny but men are men regardless.

Most probably Andrew enjoyed only the hospitality I suppose that includes lots of stuff according to your definition of 'hospitality' I would imagine PA's is pretty wide and includes women he regards as being available. His father isn't exactly a role model of fidelity and morals.

Andrew is a fool, his status as a Prince was being used a part of the deception for all sorts of underhand and illegal activity. The girls were just part of it and he must have known they were there as inducements for various “clients“, or entrapping a prominent person with an underaged girl, that’s a serious issue, one of those clients arranged Epsteins suicide
Most probably Andrew enjoyed only the hospitality and the limelight, his best bet now is to say nothing until he gets called to give evidence. Stupidity is not a crime but he will be disgraced.

Yes there are , but why would Epstein feel entitled ?

"Do they feel entitled or is it - money buys what ever they want ," (Anniebach)

Oh yes. And there are some very rich people who do use their money without harming others

I believe Prince Andrew visited Epstein after his conviction because he was negotiating a loan from him on behalf of Sarah Ferguson. If the FBI have responded to Andrew's lawyers about interviewing him I am sure they will have the evidence to prove it. My opinion is that PA knew of Epstein's proclivities but didn't take an active part; I don't think underage girls are his thing, but I may be proved wrong. My opinion is based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever, simply instinct; he always seemed to be in thrall to his wife. I am sure there are dozens of photographs of prominent people with Epstein and his female companions, all ready for blackmail.
And I know I suggested, months ago, that Prince Andrew goes to America when Anne Sacoolas comes here.

Yes Olwoman I know that PA visited Epstein after his original (plea bargained/reduced sentence) that is why I am pretty certain that PA must have chosen to ignore the advice to stay away from him.

Do you thing opening a book on "date of death" would be a step too far!

Has anyone suggested we swap PA for Ann Sacolas?

Couldn’t find the headline so I have created my own meme.

They most definitely weren’t married but I believe Epstein most definitely was murdered.

Oh maybe they weren’t married.
Apologies.

I rather think he is better off keeping quiet. I don’t condone his actions but I imagine legal counsel would advice him to keep quiet.

No amount of protection is going to avoid opening a can of worms. Once Maxwell starts opening her mouth that'll be it, she'll be taking a few others with her.

I was reading about how royals and politicians used the same phone system as those who were involved in the biggest organised crime bust. Who on earth can be trusted any more ?

That’s my understanding welbeck. As for tge behaviour of the US prosecutors, I guess it comes from frustration - they been trying and failing for ages to get HM’s favourite son to cooperate and he’s used every trick in his well funded solicitors books to evade and avoid. So much for a ‘fair’ justice system.

i don't know the relevant law but, i think if the suggestion is that the teenager was trafficked for sexual purposes, then i don't think her age comes into it.
except of course it would be an even graver offence if she was also a minor at the time.
but being traffiked is the offence i think.

I have no idea if Prince Andrew has been involved in anything illegal or unsavoury, obviously, but what I do find intensely disappointing is the behaviour of the American legal team who are now suggesting he must 'Behave like a man' and answer questions. This is not the educated language of a nation's legal system, it is gutter press tabloid fuelled inflamatory talk and has no place in a society where one might hope a fair trial might be involved. Any communication should be confidential and between solicitors - this is all so wrong.

Rosalyn He is at the very least a witness and as such should be prepared to be interviewed as to what he saw and heard. By not agreeing to an interview he is merely causing speculation as to the reason for his reluctance.

There are two issues here which keep getting muddled. Firstly the question of Andrew providing a witness statement which may help bring GM to justice. Being a witness does not mean per se that you yourself have done something wrong. It could be argued it’s your moral and civic duty and the more so if you’re from a family that is supposed to lead the nation. Secondly, is Andrew himself possibly guilty of a criminal act? For example, sex with a trafficked woman ( regardless of her age). The problem for this sorry excuse for a man is that in doing the first, he may well implicate himself in the latter. Either way, it’s not a good look is it?