Epstein/Maxwell/Prin ce Andrew

www.phillymag.com/news/2017/03/16/laura-goldman-stalker-white-house-press-pool/

re Maxwell's pal, laura goldman, another very flakey character.
extortion, harassment, stalking, threats to kill including against a probation officer and a judge.
guess it figures. birds of a feather...

these youngsters were lured in with the chance of holiday work and maybe getting a useful reference from influential people for their future careers. a job opportunity.
weinsteins victims were over 18 remember. or do some on here say that was all their fault too, for having loose morals/ knowing what they were getting into.
no wonder victims, of whatever age, find it so daunting to extricate themselves or report what is going on.
i can hardly believe some of these attitudes. after all that we now know, saville, weinstein, etc etc.
and this from women, GMs.
let's hope none of your relatives ever try to share anything difficult with you.
talk about victim blaming.

Annie, we're clearly discussing the comments on this thread
To suggest otherwise is disingenuous

Do they suzie we obviously mixed in different circles

Why do some women hate other women so much?

I was merely stating the meaning of the word paedophilia, because it irritates me to see words misused. I was not making moral judgements of any sort.

Which comments do you find unreal?
I'm just going to leave this here, that girls, women, being coerced into having sex is wrong
I am not judge and jury here, I don't know what PA did or didn't do, but surely any reasonable person would question why a young girl was in the company of a middle aged couple. ..

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You’re unreal. If men are indulging in sexual relations with underage girls it’s criminal. If they’re doing the same with girls above the age of consent and the men are considerably older it’s sleazy. Nothing appalling about my attitude. Please get a grip.

sleazy

Words fail me

tinkingbird, your comments have just made me be a little bit sick in my mouth
I have granddaughters
Your attitude to young girls is appalling

It is hebephilia as I stated.

Yes, it is a criminal offence.

Nobody’s being relaxed about it. It’s stating fact. Paedophilia is sex with pre pubescent children. It’s sleazy behaviour and if the girls are underage it’s criminal but it’s not paedophilia.

Technically it is hebephilia, but, as long as it's someone else's DD or DGD it's OK.

Doubtful Callistemon; that probably only applies to "other's teenagers". Like they're not all vulnerable and at risk.

So you'd be intensely relaxed if it were your 13 or 14 year old DGD, then tickingbird and Grandma70s?

The attitude of some posters towards the victims of Epstein is shocking.

Is this really how you want to discuss these women and girls.

Strictly speaking, the word paedophilia refers to children below the age of puberty, so tickingbird is right.

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He blew "keeping quiet" as a strategy when he did that disastrous interview on tv! As you say WW there must have been a lot of independent witnesses and they won't all be gagged by the machinations of the H of W's legal team. Unless it was made worth their while to keep quiet, of course.

It seems so far, that the FBI has been determined to complete an investigation that will withstand attempts by lawyers for Maxwell to get her off the hook. It's shocking that when Epstein was convicted of sexual offences he was allowed to leave his prison for 12 hours a day. He wasn't supervised, and in effect, only returned to the prison to sleep.

The DA who arranged this was later appointed by Trump in a senior role. He had to resign when further investigations highlighted his involvement in the Epstein trial.

Maxwell is accused of serious offences, including procuring, trafficking and sexual assaults on girls and young women.

I hope she will talk and the involvement of the rich and famous in the sexual exploitation of vulnerable girls and young women is publicised.

I'm surprised that some posters seem to minimise the seriousness of this. Just because these girls and young women weren't raped and abused in dirty flats above take aways (I paraphrase) doesn't mean they were any less exploited than the girls in the child sexual exploitation cases here. I remember many posters disputing those girls were victims, suggesting the girls were complicit in their own abuse. that's what some here seem to suggest about the girls exploited and abused by Epstein and no doubt his associates.

I don’t know the truth Whitewave , I know what has been
claimed,

The other thing we know is that there are thousands of photos and videos in the FBI’s hands.