Eat Out to Help Out.

JenniferEccles

I agree Ellianne

I have said for years that it was a mistake of the Labour government (remember them?!) to try to push so many young people into universities.

This resulted in the rise of the Micky Mouse degrees drummed up for the less academic students, and resulted in a shortage of lads applying for apprenticeships to train as plumbers, electricians etc.

A builder who does work for us has had a hell of a job trying to find a lad to train up.

He would provide a fantastic opportunity for a lad (or lass I suppose we had better say these days!) to eventually have his own business.

As a country we will always need builders and tradesmen.

What about lasses?

suziewoozie

Oh come on WW the virtue signalling by some posters on this thread was so in your face. Why was it necessary to criticise people who for their own good reasons do not want to go out to eat at the moment ( and by implication criticise those who can’t afford to or have no one to go with); Why was it necessary to clothe it in the language of patriotism? I’m not joining in this silly game.

I’ve answered once but it disappeared so it may come up twice (bugger)

I absolutely agree with you, but I don’t think it is virtue signalling.

I think that those advocating eating out etc, genuinely believe that it will help the economy back on its feet, and I was trying to argue with that view and putting mine forward.

Then up pops yours and Janes post, which threw me into a state of embarrassment as I know I’m long winded and then I got cross.

So honestly banging off stuff like “virtue signalling” etc hasn’t helped all it has done is disrupt imo.

JenniferEccles

I agree Ellianne

I have said for years that it was a mistake of the Labour government (remember them?!) to try to push so many young people into universities.

This resulted in the rise of the Micky Mouse degrees drummed up for the less academic students, and resulted in a shortage of lads applying for apprenticeships to train as plumbers, electricians etc.

A builder who does work for us has had a hell of a job trying to find a lad to train up.

He would provide a fantastic opportunity for a lad (or lass I suppose we had better say these days!) to eventually have his own business.

As a country we will always need builders and tradesmen.

It costs money though and is Sunak prepared to spend it?

I agree Ellianne

I have said for years that it was a mistake of the Labour government (remember them?!) to try to push so many young people into universities.

This resulted in the rise of the Micky Mouse degrees drummed up for the less academic students, and resulted in a shortage of lads applying for apprenticeships to train as plumbers, electricians etc.

A builder who does work for us has had a hell of a job trying to find a lad to train up.

He would provide a fantastic opportunity for a lad (or lass I suppose we had better say these days!) to eventually have his own business.

As a country we will always need builders and tradesmen.

Oh come on WW the virtue signalling by some posters on this thread was so in your face. Why was it necessary to criticise people who for their own good reasons do not want to go out to eat at the moment ( and by implication criticise those who can’t afford to or have no one to go with); Why was it necessary to clothe it in the language of patriotism? I’m not joining in this silly game.

Jane10

Whitewavemark2 what makes you think any of my comments are directed specifically at you? There are many contributors to this thread. Most are making valid points and expressing their opinions as we are all entitled to do. Please continue with your direct threat to report those of us who you assume are always referring to you - which we are not.

Please see my comments to suzi

suziewoozie

WW I was referring to several posts that seem to want us to engage in a competition as to who is doing most for their country and outlining their sterling efforts. As fine as example of virtue signalling as you could wish

Thank you for that.

Sad to think that you feel it necessary to make such comments.

In fact I wasn’t sure who they were directed to that is the point, and something I think you ought to try to avoid in future as such sweeping generalisations make everyone feel very uncomfortable and I’m sure you didn’t intend that.

Oh! Come on suzie! Eating out is the new digging for victory! And if you're lucky enough to be in the photo op, you even get an (unmasked) Rishi Sunak playing at being a waiter!

I suppose that the direct tax tables need adjusting to become more progressive and fair.

Personally I’m not one for stinging the wealthy, but I do like to think there is a high level of fairness.

Indirect taxes also need looking at and of course off shore money etc.

Whitewavemark2 what makes you think any of my comments are directed specifically at you? There are many contributors to this thread. Most are making valid points and expressing their opinions as we are all entitled to do. Please continue with your direct threat to report those of us who you assume are always referring to you - which we are not.

WW I was referring to several posts that seem to want us to engage in a competition as to who is doing most for their country and outlining their sterling efforts. As fine as example of virtue signalling as you could wish

Whitewave - who would you include in your "wealth tax". Millionaires (obviously), company owners (those who provide employment), people with savings over a certain amount (I note those advocating a wealth tax are never specific on this point), based on the value of a property owned (many people are property rich cash poor), income (again no specifics).

May I say something?

The scheme does not begin until August.
It is not vouchers.
It is not £10 off a meal.

It is 50% off your meal, up to a maximum of £10.

Oldwoman70

One of the schemes is to encourage employers to take on apprentices - something sadly lacking in the past. I don't know how much more the government can do - they are investing millions in trying to help people back to work, in all areas.

One thing Roosevelt did is create a wealth tax.

There has been lots of calls for one from a Sunak, but the suggestion is that he will increase tax but for everyone, leaving him being accused of favouring the wealthy again.

The point is that Roosevelt fundamentally changed the structure of the USA economy and it may be argued that the U.K. needs something on such a scale now.

suzi and jane GNHQ have requested that I wait to see if you would identify the person in your posts.

Over to you

One of the schemes is to encourage employers to take on apprentices - something sadly lacking in the past. I don't know how much more the government can do - they are investing millions in trying to help people back to work, in all areas.

Ellianne

High quality training for high quality jobs was mentioned here earlier and I agree. Apprenticeships are also desperately needed to bring skilled youngsters into the many areas lacking in the workforce.
It did occur to me that many in the hospitality trade are demoralised, out of work graduates who have second class degrees from second class unis and who would have been far better off pursuing a vocational training. They now have huge debts to pay off too, so we need to help them where we can. It wasn't their fault that degrees in media studies and surfing led them to nowhere.

Yes I think an excellent apprenticeship scheme would be so good for the young, as I think they have taken the brunt of this crises.

I have decided to report both posts as they represent the very veiled, posts GN HQ were asking to stop because they cause such a lot of unpleasantness and upset.

If they are being directed at me then I suggest you write a reasonable post which disagrees with my argument.

Otherwise it says a lot more about yourselves I am afraid.

High quality training for high quality jobs was mentioned here earlier and I agree. Apprenticeships are also desperately needed to bring skilled youngsters into the many areas lacking in the workforce.
It did occur to me that many in the hospitality trade are demoralised, out of work graduates who have second class degrees from second class unis and who would have been far better off pursuing a vocational training. They now have huge debts to pay off too, so we need to help them where we can. It wasn't their fault that degrees in media studies and surfing led them to nowhere.

Jane10

Many other phrases come to my mind.

Does this need reporting? As it is the very thing that has been called out as nasty and unpleasant.

suziewoozie

Why does the phrase ‘virtue signalling’ keep coming to my mind ?

Who are you talking about suzi?

A veiled post is not pleasant is it?

Many other phrases come to my mind.

As well as vastly increased government spending the treasury needs to support targeted industry or business.

Why does the phrase ‘virtue signalling’ keep coming to my mind ?

Oldwoman70

Yes Whitewave - but there are other schemes being implemented. This is just one of many.

The question is

Are these schemes sufficient to create the demand that is needed in order to stabilise the economy.

Without this demand the high unemployment will continue.

Demand comes from 4 main areas.

Consumption- like eating in restaurants. Consumption will inevitably slow as unemployment increases

Investment - very tricky as we know that investment had slowed to a halt last year

Government spending - yet to be announced in full and not yet taking effect

Export- Hmm that is where brexit hits in.

All 4 of these areas have to be in good health for a country to see good economic growth

The only area that the government has control over is its spending, and demand will start from there. But it has to be sufficient to tackle the type of recession we are facing, and imo it has so far fallen pitifully short.