Brexit Re-booted

More good news for the Brexit fans- NHS put on alert by the government for disruption from end of 2020 due to Brexit.
www.independent.co.uk/news/health/brexit-no-deal-nhs-planning-document-hospitals-eu-transition-period-b575152.html?fbclid=IwAR38dVfV76Ce2wCoV9NHzUQTr3m3vFyR5Yq9pBC139jUJ6gSxwsScvi8G5k

I can understand how many people voted for Brexit - but now that we know what we know- I cannot understand how anyone- just anyone, can still be behind it.

I am.
Sorry biba.
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You do have a lot to apologise for UG

It should be relatively easy because those of us who have been lawfully resident here for more than 5 years are entitled to a 10 year residence permit and our financial details will be available because we will, of course, have filed tax returns here

Wonderful Dinahmo.
I’m pleased for you & anyone in that situation.

Apologies for quoting non relevant information.

But - why did Welshgran post that her French friends & neighbours ‘hoped she could stay’?

That confused me.
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I do hope we'll get some sort of deal. However, I don't think it'll be a deal that many leave voters will be satisfied with

I hope so too Greta.
That said, being realistic, the sign of a good deal (in my opinion) is when neither side is completely happy. In that neither side has ‘won’.
Give & take.
I’d be happy with that - even as a Brexiteer.
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I don’t think so varian.
On this, we shall just have to agree to disagree.
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The one thing I do agree with you UG is that I hope we will get a deal.

Any kind of deal would obviously be better than no deal, in the sense of mitigating the damage of brexit.

But here I disagree with you. There will be damage. And I hope that you will acknowledge the damage and apologise fore your (very small) part in it.

Luxembourg
I am a long time resident and have just picked up my biometric permanent residents card.
Just like France those of us resident by the end of 2020 are protected under the withdrawal agreement.
Luxembourg being a small country has only one office dealing with this and the same civil servants handling the same issues every day so it appears to run very smoothly.
I understand there is a delay in France and Spain with so many Brits needing to be processed.

Urmstongran

I am.
Sorry biba.
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Why Ug? Serious question. I've seen lots of comments about how everything will be all right, but why do you support it still?

Of course due to the Covid we have not seen our friends from the local Franglais group since March. At that time things were not as clear now and there was much speculation as to what would be required to obtain a Carte de Sejour.
There is a new website opening in October for Brits who wish to have a CDS. As long as Brits have been living within the rules and are registered correctly there should be no difficulty. One of the main things is that you are registered with the income tax authorities And have filed tax returns each year whether or not you have paid income tax. You do need to have medical cover and the great majority will have it and be in the French system. Retired people via an S1 from the U.K. and most will have a top up insurance although that it not compulsory. There are also income requirements.
The people who are rushing over to claim residency now do need slightly different paperwork and are initially given only a one year CDS. Once here more than 5 years it is a permanent one.
The author of that report was scaremongering a bit or just had not read the information thoroughly. Most of the French hope that the Brits will stay - in many country areas it is Brits who have brought the area back to life and repaired the houses,

Somehow, I do not think your apology is sincere.

If it looks like a retreat on the British side.

The ERG won’t tolerate it.

Brexit latest news: EU will move to No Deal planning if there isn’t a breakthrough next week

www.thesun.co.uk/news/12745910/brexit-news-live-eu-uk-shopping-latest/

I do know that The Sun is a Murdoch newspaper but the does not mean that it is always wrong.

Even if we do get a deal of some sort most of the trade experts I follow think it will be minimalist (though Johnson will try to big it up as a worldbeating victory).

And even with a deal disruption at the borders will be guaranteed as none of the institutions affected have been able to prepare for the end of transition; either because the funding hasn't been there or because the detail hasn't been imparted.

Part of a much longer blog which has been pretty accurate for the last 4 years

Oliver Lewis is Johnson’s ‘no deal’ adviser, and is reported to have repeatedly blocked progress in the negotiations with the EU. Whether or not he continues to do so, this week saw the passing of the notable milestone of it being only 100 days until the transition period ends – there are far fewer working days, of course, and fewer still until a deal, if there is to be a deal, has to be finalized for ratification. A new government communication drive marked this moment by asking “are you ready?”.

The answer from numerous business sectors is a resounding no, almost as much so if there is a deal as if there isn’t. The issue here is partly that businesses are overwhelmed by dealing with coronavirus, but the truly shocking thing is the lack of clarity over what they have to prepare for. This was re-affirmed by reports of a meeting at the end of last week between the government and the road haulage industry, which pronounced it “a washout” as the government was unable to provide the details needed of how border systems will operate. As regards business more generally, the British Chambers of Commerce this week published a list showing that no less than 26 out of 35 key questions about a range of post-transition issues remain unanswered.

Road haulage is a crucial industry, so it is a very serious matter that is not likely to be prepared even if there is a deal. This week a leaked letter from Michael Gove suggested that a staggering 70% of EU-bound trucks might not be ready for the new border controls, leading to thousands of lorries facing two-day waits at Dover (in passing, note that almost all the focus seems to be on Dover: much less is said of the significant problems other ports will face).

Subsequently, speaking in parliament, Gove revealed that only a quarter of businesses believe that they are fully ready for the end of the transition period (and that doesn’t necessarily mean they are, by the way), whilst an astonishing 43% believe that the period will be extended. Unless the data were collected before the end of June that is, effectively, an impossibility and perhaps reflects a complacency born of the repeated Article 50 extensions.

But his most remarkable, almost surreal, statement was that, in order to reduce congestion at the ‘short Channel’ ports, there will be a de facto border for trucks entering Kent, which will need special ‘Kent Access Permits’ to be enforced by the police. Who knew that ‘taking control of our borders’ was going to lead not just to erecting a new one in the Irish Sea, but also one around Nigel Farage’s home county?

Separately, it has recently been reported that the development of the new IT systems that will be needed for the UK-EU border is in chaos, and a study published this week by the LSE shows the extent of the disruption to supply chains, especially in the food and drinks industry, that will occur at the end of the transition, again especially if there is no trade deal in place. And a new British Chambers of Commerce survey finds that 52% of UK firms trading internationally have not yet considered the effects of Brexit. But some industries, such as banking, are continuing to shift jobs and operations from the UK to the EU without waiting to see if a deal is done or not.

Whereas the damaging effects of the new border controls will be immediately obvious – queues, supply disruptions and price rises – those of things like banking relocations and their associated impact on tax revenues will be less visible, but no less real.

chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2020/09/

Switzerland. A story in 3 acts:

2014:
Narrowly votes against free movement by 50.33% to 49.67%

2016-2020:
Watches hellscape of Brexit

2020:
Screams to keep free movement by 63% to 37%*

David Schneider

The Swiss while being independent have never been slow to recognize a good deal, although because they never had an empire they don’t have the delusion of grandeur we have.

Good news that the Swiss have comprehensively voted to keep FOM. They know a good deal when they see one. It was FOM and the overtly xenophobic campaigning of Fuhrage and co that tipped the very tiny Brexit majority.

It was more the profligacy of the bureaucratic EU that did it for me. Strasbourg and Brussels. All the translators. And the fact that the organisation isn’t as democratic as it likes to pretend ... Germany & France running the show. The euro not fit for purpose. Greece allowed to join after fiscal rules were bent (to their detriment later). So many reasons for me.

Anyway. All that’s in the past. No need to keep rehashing.

Brexit is done! ??

Brexit is done , more like half cooked. All that money spent on useless adverts telling us to prepare for March/ October/January, on lorry parks etc would have paid for quite a few translators.

Once we’re full steam ahead those costs will be a one off. Unlike the EU Merry-go-round. Year after year.

Well Ug, thank you for taking the time to answer.

Here's why I think we should have stayed. The EU is the first time in history that a diverse group of nations have come together to make sure a disaster like WWII never happens again. After centuries of conflict, France and Germany have the same objectives - peace and prosperity for their people. Spain and Portugal prospered in a way that they never would have without the EU. Culturally we understand our neighbours better.

Mistakes have been made indeed. I don't have an opinion on the Euro, but Greece were allowed in too early. But anyone who thinks France and Germany run the show has fallen for the rather hateful propaganda, along with the idea that it all cost too much. Too many translators, how ridiculous.

We could have stayed, been a part of the most successful alliance in history, and paid our share. But no, exceptionalism and suspicion of Johnny Foreigner have taken us out. I'm so disappointed in the people who have taken us into this situation for fatuous reasons.

I'm with Urmstongran ? We've left like it or not get over it and move on.

That's a nice grown up attitude Firecracker
Thank you for your well thought out contribution.

But we’ve already spent more on Brexit than the whole of our 40 years membership and all those customs officers, border guards, civil servants, paperwork needed won’t be a one off it will be ever increasing, that’s without the job losses and price rises. So the money saving argument is rubbish. As for the Euro-we weren’t in it and anyway the £ is sinking like a stone. We should have reformed the EU from within but heyho we’re Brits and so superior to all those furriners.