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Brexit Re-booted

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Whitewavemark2 Thu 09-Jul-20 08:07:06

Whilst we have all been busy with C19, Brexit has been still in the background, so I thought as a break from C19 I would start up Brexit again??

Latest gossip/leak

Liz Truss has written to Johnson warning him that his border plans “ risk smuggling, damage to the U.K. reputation and WTO wrath who may well launch a legal challenge over the plan to phase in customs and health checks Over 6 months.

Something else that’s going to run and run.

Negotiations with the EU are due to end 31 October.

biba70 Thu 23-Jul-20 20:53:31

Even Stanley wants a re-run now. Mind you, he is the one who has known for the longest time that Boris is an idiot and an utterly selfish spoilt brat.

varian Thu 23-Jul-20 19:56:56

"Investors cheer euro’s prospects after ‘milestone’ EU deal
European currency set for more gains as investors shift from the US, analysts say"

from the FT

Don't you just wish that you lived in an EU country?

MaizieD Wed 22-Jul-20 21:14:05

Oh, apologies for repetition, WTO already dealt with.

Dinahmo Wed 22-Jul-20 21:12:07

Urmstongran

If you look, you’ll find.
?

Richard Desmond's history in pornography has never been a secret so it's not a question of looking

MaizieD Wed 22-Jul-20 21:10:51

Isn’t the majority of our trade already done under WTO rules already?

Our trade is done under agreements negotiated by the EU. Trade agreements, as I understand it, don't have to conform to WTO 'rules'. WTO is a base line for countries which don't have trade agreements.

On 1st Jan 2021 all agreements we currently trade under will be void, apart from the very few minor ones that have been rolled over.

It was the WA that was oven ready not trade deals.

Tories are now angling to renege on the WA.

varian Wed 22-Jul-20 21:10:29

Just another meaningless soundbite.

bylinetimes.com/2020/06/10/boris-johnsons-oven-ready-brexit-deal-was-another-half-baked-lie/

Dinahmo Wed 22-Jul-20 21:10:09

Jabberwok

It was the WA that was oven ready not trade deals.

And Johnson is now seeking to change the WA which those living in Europe rely upon for reciprocal health agreements and annual increases to state pensions, among other things.

Jabberwok Wed 22-Jul-20 20:51:01

It was the WA that was oven ready not trade deals.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 22-Jul-20 20:45:37

WTO is almost defunct.

ug why on Earth you feel the need to cope Johnson’s turn of phrase is beyond me. The man is an idiot.

varian Wed 22-Jul-20 20:44:27

I don't think that you are right UG when you assert that most of our trade is done under WHO rules. Most of our trade is done via our EU membrship, EU trade treaties and other trade treaties.

However I hope you are right UG that a deal will be struck as the alternative of a no-deal brexit is just too appalling to contemplate.

Urmstongran Wed 22-Jul-20 20:28:14

Isn’t the majority of our trade already done under WTO rules already? We won’t starve.

Let’s try a bit harder not to be doomsters.

Often the EU negotiate a little bit harder at the 11th hour. No Deal will be difficult for both sides.

I still think a deal will be struck. This is like a high powered game of ‘chicken’.

varian Wed 22-Jul-20 20:23:51

Whatever happened to all these marvellous "oven-ready" deals?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 22-Jul-20 16:46:33

The FT is reporting that Johnson has abandoned hope of reaching a trade deal with the USA before the November election. Why on Earth they thought it was possible in the first place beats me.

It’s all going well isn’t it?

No USA deal

No EU deal

No deals at all so far.

What a future

varian Tue 21-Jul-20 21:43:10

Vote Leave director admits they won by lying

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/vote-leave-director-admits-won-lied-public/08/02/

Davidhs Sat 11-Jul-20 08:26:05

Apprenticeship Schemes. Historically an “apprentice“ was employed by a tradesman on low wages and learned the “trade” over a number of years. This was usually in conjunction with college training or day release training, some apprentices still follow a similar course but nowhere near enough.

The change came some years ago when 18 yrs became the school leaving age. Vocational students - about 50% of leavers had to decide wether find work or continue college training.

The brightest, that might have become electricians, plumbers and other skilled trades were encouraged to go to University to get more qualifications. At 21 most enter the job market expecting an adult wage but most have had poor quality training, little work experience and no employment record.

There is plenty of skilled work available, it is mostly being done by migrant workers, if migrant workers were not available employers would have to train apprentices, it’s fairly easy to compel employers to train UK workers, a number do already. What is more difficult is to encourage trainees to commit to learning a skilled trade at 18, the present system is not going to change anything.

Lucca Sat 11-Jul-20 08:12:52

Urmstongran

Good things are out there too. Depends where your interests lie.

For example ? Genuine question.

Davidhs Sat 11-Jul-20 07:34:03

Vegan, it’s not quite as you describe it, most of Scottish Fishing quota is held by a small number of Scottish families. English quota is about half foreign owned, Northern Ireland quota is mostly tied to one trawler!.
The value of quota depends on supply and demand, we’ve seen this with other commodities, changes in regulations can reduce value, even to zero. There will have to be an agreement on fisheries because the alternative is half the navy being used in a fisheries war.

Urmstongran Sat 11-Jul-20 07:31:25

Good things are out there too. Depends where your interests lie.

vegansrock Sat 11-Jul-20 07:23:28

Just as well someone’s looking otherwise we’d never know would we ? They can pull the wool over some eyes.

Urmstongran Sat 11-Jul-20 07:20:36

If you look, you’ll find.
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vegansrock Sat 11-Jul-20 07:06:33

That Tory donor chap who got the housing bung from the minister made his money out of porn mags. Seems to be a theme.

growstuff Sat 11-Jul-20 07:05:11

vegansrock

Why does the U.K. make a fuss about fishing? It’s tiny part of out gdp. It’s terrible environmentally. There’s one Scottish family that owns half the U.K. fishing, the rest is foreign owned.

The truth is that the government doesn't give a hoot about fishing, but it wants to make the EU look like the bad guys.

growstuff Sat 11-Jul-20 07:01:58

Crummy apprenticeship schemes which don't lead to a job. Maybe they should all set up online porn sites.

growstuff Sat 11-Jul-20 07:01:18

And lasses?

What are they going to be trained to do?

Urmstongran Sat 11-Jul-20 06:52:47

I think it’s all about the optics.
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It sends a message.
Plus, with the high unemployment forecasts post-Covid if it provides training and jobs for more of our young lads who live along the U.K. coastal areas that’ll be a bonus.