Brexit Re-booted

DD1 had an operation on Wednesday (after a series of cancellations and misdiagnoses, etc). She got quite friendly with one of the senior nurses, and she asked her how she felt abotu an impending second wave combined with winter issues - and she almost burst into tears and said- I'd have to give up my job- just could NOT go through it all again.

I read that the NHS have been put on alert for no deal disruption. Of course they have been planning but this looks like it's ramping up. Not that they have anything else to do at the moment. Anyone not worried can't understand what's going on.

Urmstongran

Of course not.
But at the moment the glum buckets on here are ‘may’ (as you just said yourself), ‘might’, ‘maybe’ be disastrous. No optimism. No attempt at trying to look on the less gloomy side.
As I said, I think many of you actually revel in this mindset.
A deal won’t suit you (deep down).
You’ll have less to pick over.

But you see ug we’ve heard it all before so forgive us for being cynical.

Remember “project fear”? I’m sure you do as you were an enthusiastic user of the silly phrase, and now of course what you were warned about which you simply would not believe is all unfolding as you were warned it would.

Now you have adopted the silly phrase “doomsayers or glum buckets” maintaining that it will all come right in the end.

But there is no evidence whatsoever either from this government or any brexiter to prove their optimism.

Hoping for the best is no way to run a country. Hard headed ness is the only way to get us through and I see precious little of anything that can be remotely described as competent let alone hardheadedness.

No one hopes more than me that we get by some miracle a good deal, at least that is one less thing that we will have to worry about.

Some Brexiteers don’t want to face up to the fact that it’s not going to be all sunlit uplands and loads of extra dosh for public services promised. Also - foreigners won’t all disappear and Britannia won’t rule the waves. Anything Johnson and his cabal do will be praised to the skies because of the belief all will be marvellous even when it blatantly isn’t. You’ve got to appreciate this is like a religious cult you have to “believe in”. So no criticism allowed as you are then called unpatriotic, even though Brexit is destroying many jobs, causing sterling to crash and making the economy worse.

Ug Perhaps you could tell us what's on the "less gloomy side"

Perhaps we'll then understand why you are so optimistic!

Why on God's green earth should I be optimistic?

We already have Britain's democracy being destroyed by a manic government under the 'leadership' of a lying incompetent charlatan. That's enough to destroy the peace of anyone with more than two braincells to rub together.

Then we have a bunch of incompetents trying to kill off the elderly while using the pandemic as a fine excuse for draining off the nation's money into the hands of their cronies (which, I notice, none of you (unprintable word) Brexiters have gone anywhere near even recognising that it's happening, let alone trying to find some rational explanation for it)

We have experts in all directions telling us that we cannot even be ready for 1st Jan 2021 because the government hasn't given them anything firm to work with

Oh, I don't know, Ug. Your refusal to face facts wearies me

As I said, I think many of you actually revel in this mindset.

But you can stick that little bit of cod psychoanalysis where the sun doesn't shine.

Of course not.
But at the moment the glum buckets on here are ‘may’ (as you just said yourself), ‘might’, ‘maybe’ be disastrous. No optimism. No attempt at trying to look on the less gloomy side.
As I said, I think many of you actually revel in this mindset.
A deal won’t suit you (deep down).
You’ll have less to pick over.

Do tell me, oh Pollyanna Ug. If you are being forced to do something totally against your will, that you know will cause great inconvenience and may even end in disaster, do you go skipping with joy to meet it?

much worse indeed.

So, even worse than ‘half empty’ then.

The glass isn't half empty. Its been drained.

I don’t think Border Force UK are too happy with Calais either biba
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But let’s not go there tonight.

I just find it dispiriting that even good news for the UK is either ignored or pulled to pieces.

Such a glass half empty lot.

Oh yes they are, because they certainly did NOT vote for this- and because they have not reneged on the hard negotiated WA- tons of their money has been wasted on negotiations which are being reneged on.

And the people of Calais, more than any others, are really really angry- and I can't blame them.

Some of it is about Covid too. Lack of staff. A backlog at Felixstowe right now.

I think it’s called preparing for the worst whilst hoping for the best.

Granted it’ll be unnecessary when a deal is struck. But signals have to be sent to the EU that we are preparing for the risk of no deal - just as they are - and I dare say their citizens are appalled at the monies being spent on their side too.

I can’t understand, if there is going to be a deal, why we need such a vast amount of lorry parking space. We have never needed it previously, even when there have been enormous strikes in France.

I know this government is very fond of throwing our money into its friends grasping clutches but so much concrete on green fields without planning permission seems excessive.

You could not be more wrong Urmstongran.

We are so upset and devastated, because we love the UK, and cannot bear to see what is happening to it. Whereas it seems that many Brexiters are happy to scupper the country and all who sail in it- including our beloved grandchildren, in a horrible selfish 'game'.

Ah, the Telegraph, the home of balanced reporting.

Well, I feel much better now. Actually, no, I don't.

From the Telegraph today (Business section):

“is said that British Brexiteers do not understand EU politics and are deluding themselves if they think that Angela Merkel and fellow leaders will compromise at the 11th hour to avoid a trade shock. One might turn the accusation around.

The European Automobile Manufacturers Association last week issued a full-throated warning of a “€110bn Brexit disaster” for the industry if there is no deal. It said auto trading on WTO terms would have a “catastrophic impact” coming on top of Covid’s wave one, let alone wave two.

The problem for Britain is no longer whether or not there will be a trade deal. Of course there will be a deal. The problem is that Europe’s economy is incapable of generating self-sustaining growth and is in fundamental crisis.”

Try to cheer up ladies.
But then, maybe you don’t want to? Some of you will be despondency personified if a deal is struck with the EU.

None of us are anti-UK.

We are anti- idiocy.

Such a shame how (most of you on these threads) are rubbing your hands with glee in anticipation thinking the four horses of the apocalypse are about to ride through the UK.

A deal will be struck. The famous 11th hour. Some of you will be gutted with nowhere to vent your spleen.

I get that you’re anti Brexit. It’s just so sad that you’ve become anti UK in the process.

I wonder how many brexiters ever had the slightest idea of the many devastating effects of their vote?

Dover Port and exit to M20 is just so so narrow- it can barely cope with 'normal' traffic. No way could it physically/geographically cope with queues and checks.

Wonder how Brexiters would feel about bulldozing the White Cliffs and the War Rooms/Dover Castle?

Perhaps I am wrong, but I seem to remember one of the Vote Leavers telling us that we could still have "friction-less trade"

I wonder how many voted leave because of that assurance?

The roads from Dover to Manston are narrow country roads I understand from friends living in the area - and the lorries will need to make the journey twice!