Anyone else think Boris is still ill?

Yes snap luck and whitewavemark2 can't understand what you mean in your last sentence Jabber. I for one of the many criticised Boris as not being as ill as was made out and this was not a criticism of the hospital, just as PM he received special attention. Yes he does look ill and the virus, however bad you are with it, takes it out of you. I believe, as does my doctor, that I had it over Christmas along with other members of my family. I didn't go into hospital but spent over two months totally exhausted. As Boris would. He wasn't up to the job before and certainly isn't now, he should hand over the job to someone who could manage a lot better than he does now or at any other time.

It’s true he didn’t leave her whilst she was having cancer treatment - he only tomcatted around for years whilst the children were young, impregnating at least two other women ( that we know of) So phew, that’s all right then.

lucca snap!

Jabberwok

He did not leave his ex wife when she was fighting cancer. Her cancer confirmation came well after their marriage had broken down. This is well known so why can't some people accept it!
I admire Boris for seeing it as his duty to return to work, if he hadn't he would have been accused of shirking, lying, lazy etc etc. People have to their shame already accused him and presumably St Thomas's hospital of faking the whole episode! Imagine what these same folk would have said if he had taken further convalescence! No he doesn't seem ebullient any more, but carrying the present troubles on your shoulders must be almost impossibly daunting! Certainly certain people are, while criticising of course, (could they do better?!!) heaving a huge sigh of relief, that's for sure, cowards that they are!

I can’t understand your last paragraph nor to whom you are addressing it to?

Jabberwok. Please can you explain this sentence from your post “ Certainly certain people are, while criticising of course, (could they do better?!!) heaving a huge sigh of relief, that's for sure, cowards that they are!”. I genuinely don’t know what you mean ...which people? Sigh of relief about what ?
(I’m not having a go )

Well - it is difficult. I feel very sorry for anyone who has suffered this dreadful illness, but as PM he was hopeless before and is hopeless now.

We are in a sorry state with this ineffective and entirely unsuitable man at the helm.

My major worry, if he were to have to step down, is that we might get Gove - heaven spare us all that!

That depends on your point of view! Not everyone thinks so!

He did not leave his ex wife when she was fighting cancer. Her cancer confirmation came well after their marriage had broken down. This is well known so why can't some people accept it!
I admire Boris for seeing it as his duty to return to work, if he hadn't he would have been accused of shirking, lying, lazy etc etc. People have to their shame already accused him and presumably St Thomas's hospital of faking the whole episode! Imagine what these same folk would have said if he had taken further convalescence! No he doesn't seem ebullient any more, but carrying the present troubles on your shoulders must be almost impossibly daunting! Certainly certain people are, while criticising of course, (could they do better?!!) heaving a huge sigh of relief, that's for sure, cowards that they are!

The reason for him to go isn’t because he may or may not be ill, but because he is such a lousy PM.

MaizieD

^I saw footage of him in the hospital^,

Where did you see that, maddyone?

I don't recall seeing any at the time.

As Cummings is running the whole show I expect whether or not Johnson is well enough is completely irrelevant.

I say keep him in post as long as possible though, he's doing a splendid job of killing off lots of his voters and p*ssing off a whole load more.

--and anyone who tells me off for 'not nice' sentiments gets reported for derailing the thread and making personal comments--

Agree with you MaizieD .

To those who don't like him being criticised - please note that we are (most of us that is) are aware of how ill he has been and concur that he still is ill and need of rest and recovery. All the more reason for him to go.

“I don’t feel sorry for him he s not up to the job but is to arrogant to let go”

Nobody is pushing him, yet, the time will come and they won’t have to push very hard.

I’ve noticed watching Boris on the television he doesn’t look all that well , he was very ill and I don’t think he has made a full recovery. Hopefully in a few weeks time he will look and feel better , we shall see.

JenniferEccles

Although I share some of the concerns voiced on here I wonder if we are expecting too much of him?

We know how seriously ill he was so he’s bound to be a bit below par still.

I think he definitely did come back to work too soon but what was the alternative?

If he had taken a prolonged convalescence that would have caused many comments claiming he wasn’t up to the top job.

Having said that some on here have mentioned how slumped in the seat he looked and I agree but then doesn’t he always look like that?

I can’t remember seeing him sitting bolt upright with a straight back - it’s just not him is it?

I could have written this post Jennifer ?
Indeed he does always slump, and he likes to move arms and legs about, he doesn’t seem to like sitting still.
There is the Summer recess coming along soon now ( if it’s not here already) so he has time to recuperate.
He can also delegate as much as he needs to.

Mentally ill.... yes
What has having a new baby got to do with it he didn’t exactly care for the ones that have gone before and As he was having an affair when his wife was fighting cancer doesn’t have too good a record for a kind heart either So no I don’t feel sorry for him he s not up to the job but is to arrogant to let go

Another stressful thing is the fact that they've got a new baby, we all know how tiring that is - if he's still living with them.
Even though I can't stand his politics you have to feel sorry for him as a human being, trying to keep going against great odds.

Although I share some of the concerns voiced on here I wonder if we are expecting too much of him?

We know how seriously ill he was so he’s bound to be a bit below par still.

I think he definitely did come back to work too soon but what was the alternative?

If he had taken a prolonged convalescence that would have caused many comments claiming he wasn’t up to the top job.

Having said that some on here have mentioned how slumped in the seat he looked and I agree but then doesn’t he always look like that?

I can’t remember seeing him sitting bolt upright with a straight back - it’s just not him is it?

Yes, Mr Johnson does look ill. His rumpled, bumbling, stumbling persona isn't disguising the fact that he looks and sometimes sounds, exhausted.
I'm disappointed (understatement) with the government's management of the covid crisis. Rishi Sunak seems the brightest and most competent of a poor front bench.

I can't help but feel some sympathy for Mr Johnson. I expect he felt he had to return to work. His admiration for Churchill probably influenced that decision. He sees himself as a a strong leader. He looks like someone who needs to convalesce. To take a month off at Chequers, to rest and recuperate. At the end of the first month, a second and possibly a third month would be recommended, then a gradual return to part time work. Probably in a less stressful post than the patient previously held.
Posters on this thread who have direct experience of post viral syndromes know that's the only way to begin to recover. What a mess.

Toad I am pleased to hear that your daughter is now doing well. Yes, I used to have dreams that a cure had been found. If only .......

Callistemon

Lucca

Begs the question should he have handed over the reins to someone else even if temporarily ?

I think he should.
Soldiering on when you are not properly recovered is not a good idea at all.

A proper politician, not an unelected dictator
Iykwim

Lucca

Begs the question should he have handed over the reins to someone else even if temporarily ?

I think he should.
Soldiering on when you are not properly recovered is not a good idea at all.

Quite tickingbird I saw him in intensive care with the plastic things used to force oxygen into the patient, I don’t know the medical term. It was tv news. Hospital staff do not lie.

We’ve been warned for years that a pandemic might be on its way, because it’s such a long time since the Spanish Flu pandemic. I don’t think any governments really prepared for such an event. I’m not excusing them, just stating what appears to be the case. Maybe it’s given the whole world a necessary wake up call. We all probably need it. I’m not excusing our government, I’ve criticised the management of Covid19 often enough, but I agree that Theresa May, David Cameron, Jeremy Corbyn, and Keir Starmer are probably all truly thankful that they are not in charge at the moment.

Boris was extremely ill. They don’t move patients into intensive care for nothing and it wasn’t made up for sympathy. He tried to carry on working for too long before being admitted to hospital. Regardless of which side of the political spectrum anyone stands they can’t deny the man has been seriously ill. He looks drained and if he was my son or partner I’d be worried.

Maizie
It was tv news, but can’t remember which channel. It was a while ago.

Thank you Sparkle, she’s doing very well...on her second pregnancy, but worked hard in the early years with the 80% exercise rule, which you’re probably familiar with. With my daughter....they think it was a combination of having had a virus...and then a general anaesthetic. A cure would be wonderful ?.