CAREN Act To Stop Racially Motivated Police Calls Proposed By California Lawmaker

Lol Galaxy, definitely agree on that

I've git no problem with disagreeing, I've learnt a lot in the last few days which I appreciate.

I don't, never have and never will think Karen is an OK term though and that's the truth.

This morning I only suggested that CAREN would be a better association than KAREN and perhaps make a negative into a positive going forward

No some of us are disagreeing with you thats all. I don't think that because someone has a different opinion to me they are bad.
Well unless they like Mrs Browns Boys.

Me too Galaxy, me too.

Now the focus seems to be on

Starblaze = bad

As if I as a woman and my thoughts are not allowed the validity of other women that everyone is so determined must be protected even if those thoughts/deeds are racist, a waste of police time, untrue or discriminatory in some way.

Also I might be a man as justification for doing so (I'm not)

lol

I can manage to focus on both.

My post yesterday, before i did my best to understand and educate myself on it Chewbacca?

I have already clarified my position

Karen = Bad

Focusing on Karen to the detriment of other issues = Bad

Seperate issues

You could of course read back through all my comments to see that has been my thinking all along

GrannyGravy13

Can I ask what is the defining hairstyle please, I have an appointment at the hairdressers on Tuesday and would like to avoid being labelled yet again (I am blonde and currently live in Essex not sure I can take anymore judgemental names)

What is that wonderful Dolly Parton quote about being a “dumb blonde” ?
Namely that she is NOT dumb (and not blonde) !

Starblaze

What are the origins of this Karen thing Chewbacca?

Because I did look into it and it appears to come from white people caragorising a "type of person" who likes to complain to the management.

Its been around for a while apparently.

Now it has been attached to racism, its suddenly a massive problem

White people do this a lot huh?

Your post yesterday appears to contradict what you've said today though. And I'm still perplexed by what White people do this a lot huh? means. What do "white people^ do a lot of?

I have now read the whole thread...with interest.

I think it is pointless and completely wrong to put a label on any particular group and describe them as one group and then even imply that they will have similar characteristics! As a group they may have certain characteristics such as "white" but even that covers members of so many different countries.; so many different experiences to shape their views. Even "middle aged" is a moveable feast, when does it start, when does it end? Hairstyles ...so apparently having a certain hairstyle tells people what your views are, your characteristics!!?? How silly can it get?

That lists suggests if the three "characteristics" I mention above apply to you then you are bound to also be "entitled" and "demanding". How daft is that, why should the rest determine that you will be those things also?

Surely the fight for equal rights and opportunities and feminism can be done without labelling of anyone or any group??

To be fair, I don't personally like that hair cut and if someone came to me with it and asked if it looked good, I would of course be polite but I'd probably have to sue my face for slander.

Oopsminty

Here you go, GrannyGravy13!

Thank you, that style was not on my options list

No idea Grannygravy But the odds are that no matter which style you choose, you'll be labelled as something or other simply because of your gender, age and ethnicity.

Here you go, GrannyGravy13!

Callistimon this is one of those situations where I am unsure if I am making myself clear enough or being deliberately misunderstood in order to fuel some sort of argument.

I do not believe using the name Karen to describe certain behaviour is acceptable

I also do not believe the behaviour of people who believe they are jutified to racially profile or otherwise profile people they see as less than themselves is acceptable either.

Those viewpoints do not negate each other.

Can I ask what is the defining hairstyle please, I have an appointment at the hairdressers on Tuesday and would like to avoid being labelled yet again (I am blonde and currently live in Essex not sure I can take anymore judgemental names)

It's hardly ever a mams name, it's always a womans.

equal rights or opportunities for everyone
Including all the Karens of the world ?

These women
and which women would they be, exactly?
Anyone called Karen?

As I said previously, this extremely stupid idea of using a woman's (and in some cultures a man's) name to typify a group of women with a racist, histrionic personality disorder is not only very wrong, it detracts from the serious issues at stake.

From the definition given about ‘Karens’ it seems they (middle aged to older white women)are being talked about in a way that for any other group you could mention would be considered outrageous.

That's what I am saying though Cheebacca it's far from all women.

It's not mysogyny to say I don't like the behaviour of some women

It's not misandry to say I don't like the behaviour of some men

It is feminism to say that I believe in equal rights and opportunities for everyone.

These women we are speaking of do not believe in equal rights or oportunity as they clearly demonstrate

Are you a man Starblaze ?

I can see there is a problem with a certain type of women. There certainly is Starblaze! But the problem with lumping white, middle aged women, who display less than attractive traits, into one huge homogeneous mass and then labelling them "Karen", is divisive, misogynistic, sexist, unfair and counter productive.

I can see there is a problem with a certain type of women Cheebacca who believes they are deserving of special treatment and that they are generally more important than others. They believe they should be listened to above others and their opinion is the be all and end all on every conversation. They also seem to believe they are above telling the truth or any kind of morals to get their own way.

Calling them Karen's is not OK but that sort of woman lets the rest of us down and that sort of behaviour should be called out clearly.

So of the 6 so called characteristics, you've picked up on 2 negative stereotypes?
I believe that there are as many "entitled or demanding" women as there are "entitled or demanding" men, Starblaze. Some of them are white. Some of them have their hair cut in a particular style. And some of them are called Karen. Or Susan. Or Bill.
But to selectively identify a whole demographic of white femails, of a particular age, is misogynistic, offensive and lazy. And I find it depressingly sad that another middle aged woman cannot see that.

Not if you aren't entitled or demanding, or do you believe most women are Chewbacca?

Well, the criteria for "being a Karen" is fairly extensive, according to the direct quote:

White
Femail
Entitled
Demanding
Middle aged
Having a "particular hairstyle"

That's fairly generic, wouldn't you say?