CAREN Act To Stop Racially Motivated Police Calls Proposed By California Lawmaker

Being not “bring”

rosecarmel

Callistemon

Why not call them Rosecarmels?

Isn't Carmel in California?

Or simply American -- as previously suggested- Since they are one in the same-

Which suggests all Karens are the same- As well as all African Americans-

I suppose if people have small feet they don't mind habitually sticking them in their mouth ..

I think you've got my point rosecarmel!!

Like calling Gransnetters boomers when many are not.

Like calling Gransnetters boomers when many are not

Yes Callistemon, it's strange to see what is meant to be a pejorative term for older people, being used to describe those on a site for grandparents, isn't it?

So is there a generic descriptor for people who come on a site and use pejorative terms for the demographic it represents, I wonder? ???

Getting Angry Grannies Again?
Granny Angers Good And Jolly Others?

?She’s got it!
By Jove she’s got it! ?

I got it earlier Maw. I just don't see it the same way as you.

Like the Essex girl jokes, I just think it's not to be taken seriously.

GagaJo

Getting Angry Grannies Again?
Granny Angers Good And Jolly Others?

We could have a competition
Best answer wins um, er, any suggestions?

One year's free subscription to Gransnet?

GagaJo

I got it earlier Maw. I just don't see it the same way as you.

Like the Essex girl jokes, I just think it's not to be taken seriously.

It's a serious issue, though, and deserves a better, more appropriate, name.

Not one which has the potential to annoy other women, antagonise them and distract from the issues.

Although I sympathise, while black people are being brutally murdered in public and in our criminal justice system, I think we have to prioritise.

The brutal murder of George Floyd happened in America. We abhor what happened, but we are powerless to change what happens in America. But I don’t understand the comment that black people are being ‘brutally murdered.......in our criminal justice system.’ Is this happening in the UK?

Although I sympathise, while black people are being brutally murdered in public and in our criminal justice system, I think we have to prioritise.

I agree with that 100% GagaJo but I can't see how demonisng and ridiculing a whole strata of society helps with that. It surely just creates more friction and division in an already divided society. And the ridiculous thing is that some of the "white, middle class women" who have been found guilty of clear racial bias against black males, have actually been in their 20s or 30s and so very unlikely to have been called Karen anyway.

Best to keep to specifics of individuals and not tarnish a whole demographic who condemn racism in all its forms.

There's a lot of privilege showing on this thread

Why do you think that Starblaze?

Oh, the P word.

But you are priveleged too Starblaze, on your ipad with access to the Internet.

Anybody in Britain is priveleged to have access to clean water, energy, health care.

Even black Americans are priveleged compared to the limbless children I saw in Vietnam and Cambodia.

Privelege is comparative. I'm tired of it being bandied about. Until everyone is prepared to give up their own Privelege then it's meaningless to accuse others of having Privelege.

GagaJo

Although I sympathise, while black people are being brutally murdered in public and in our criminal justice system, I think we have to prioritise.

How does demonising women of any age group/ethnicity/ socioeconomic group “prioritise” anything?
And I question what, if any, privilege Starblaze has identified on this thread.

I go back to Gagajos comment about sarky answers
It has typified this thread from the outset.
Was the intention to raise awareness of racial injustice in the UK ?
Hardly.

Imagine if you were black AND your name was Karen, which would be the bigger problem? Which could you easily shrug off? Which would impact every area of your life and which is just some daftness going around on the Internet in comparison

If being called Karen starts affecting people's ability to get an education, get a job, get housing, gets them pulled over or pulled up or shot by the police or the general public (I guess they would have to have the name stamped on their foreheads) then I will start a movement

Karen Lives Matter?

Racism won't go away if we ignore it, silly Internet fads do

But they are the same thing a different ends if the spectrum.

Sneering, stereotyping, demonising, regarding someone of less worth, all based on prejudice.

You are showing your privilege in not being called Caren and so not having to deal with this and caring nothing for those who do.

You're displaying exactly the same attitude if not the power.

I don't care "nothing" I think it's silly and I've already said previously that I feel bad for people with that name

It is just clear to me that people are happy to compare one to the other as if they are the same which shows people do not understand privilege at all.

I have faced many problems in life, I am not privileged.

I have not faced any problems due to the colour of my skin, that's white privilege, or just privilege in this context.

Doesn't make anyone a bad person or detract from the issues they face in life to admit that they didn't face issues due to skin colour.

Privilege is not a thing you have or don't have entirely It is also a spectrum.

If that makes more sense

^ Privilege is not a thing you have or don't have entirely It is also a spectrum. If that makes more^ sense

Not really, to be honest. I thought that the whole concept of "privilege" is quite stark; there are those who have it, and those who don't. Are you saying that there's a sliding scale?
And I still fail to see how stereotyping, denigrating and ridiculing a whole section of society, who has as little/as much involvement with racism as any other demographic, is helping to stamp out racism.

Manufacturing a divide in one section of society does nothing whatsoever to help heal the divide in another. It simply adds another layer to "othering".

What are the origins of this Karen thing Chewbacca?

Because I did look into it and it appears to come from white people caragorising a "type of person" who likes to complain to the management.

Its been around for a while apparently.

Now it has been attached to racism, its suddenly a massive problem

White people do this a lot huh?

It's not about the name it's about misogyny. Its being used everywhere to tell women to shut up.
Misogyny wont go away if we ignore it either.

I've no idea where, or by whom, the term originally came from Starblaze; I just think, as do others apparently, that it's a needlessly negative and destructive way of addressing a very important problem. What is the point of deliberately manufacturing division and blame in a whole section of society that is as blameless, or as much to blame, as any other? What purpose does it serve apart to create resentment and "othering"?

I'm not sure what your reference to white people caragorising a "type of person" who likes to complain to the management. means in this context, I'm sorry.

Exactly so Galaxy, precisely that.

Privilege isn't a spectrum. It's a state defined by the society you live in or globally, by your place in an unequal world.

Attitude is though. And when somebody says they feel victimised or intimadated by a campaign against them and others reply by saying "I think it's funny" "Get over it" Stop making a fuss about nothing" that's the same attitude as black people have to deal with.

And black history will show you how banes can be used as an instrument of power.

Of course you are priveleged Starblaze. You have so much that others do not. Own it.