Does anyone else think that at the next General Election...

Galaxy

They polled badly for numerous reasons, politics is rarely down to one factor, they massively misjudged how people feel about overthrowing a democratic vote, they could have managed that in a much more voter friendly way, jo Swinson was not effective, they became mired in identity politics, they alienated some women, I could go on.

The Liberal Democrats had one continuous message during the General Election campaign and that was NO BREXIT, NO BREXIT, NO BREXIT

Labour Party support was totally divided with the North of England heavily supporting Brexit while the South of England were heavily in support or Remain. The Labour leadership tried to bridge that gap with a confused and difficult message.

Boris Johnson had one continuous message during the General Election campaign and that was BREXIT, BREXIT, BREXIT.

Under Britains first passed the post electoral system the voters went overwhelmingly for the Boris Johnson message.

Simple as that.

They polled badly for numerous reasons, politics is rarely down to one factor, they massively misjudged how people feel about overthrowing a democratic vote, they could have managed that in a much more voter friendly way, jo Swinson was not effective, they became mired in identity politics, they alienated some women, I could go on.

Galaxy

No it wasnt it was much more complex that that. Blaming it on brexit ignores the previous election and the current situation with regard to Starmers popularity within the country.

Galaxy, if it was more complex than Brexit why did the Liberal Democrats poll so badly at the General Election? They had a clear message being that Britain should ignore the referendum and just remain within the EU. That was totally rejected.

Starmer's largest trial as leader is yet to come. The foregoing will be in saving the Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP) from insolvency, and in that he will need to rebuild the bridges with the wider Labour movement that at this point in time have been almost totally destroyed.

The complete economic restructuring and downsising of the Labour Party will be required in the above, but should Kier Starmer succeed in that he may then go on to be recognised as an outstanding leader of the party and wider movement.

However, at this point in time that is a big IF.

No it wasnt it was much more complex that that. Blaming it on brexit ignores the previous election and the current situation with regard to Starmers popularity within the country.

Iam64

*my impression is these people pay absolutely no attention to to other opinions *

That works both ways doesn't it. Polarised rows, or a complete rejection of ideas that don't fit the agenda are one of the reasons Labour under Corbyn and co lost so many seats at the last election.

The reason that Labour lost the election was Brexit and the right within the Parliamentary Labour Party Central Office working against their own elected leader.

The North of England voted leave, Johnson told the North of England that a vote for him and the Tory party would definitely secure that desire. The North then voted for Johnson and the Tories.

Simple as that.

my impression is these people pay absolutely no attention to to other opinions

That works both ways doesn't it. Polarised rows, or a complete rejection of ideas that don't fit the agenda are one of the reasons Labour under Corbyn and co lost so many seats at the last election.

I think Boris will stay. Even post Brexit on 31 December. He & Sunak make a good team ... both wanting Brexit. Just like me.
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Why oh why did people not listen.
It can be quite astonishing, talking to someone like that in person.

Them : blabla view X

Me : blabla I prefer view Z because....

Them : blabla view X
(making no attempt at all to explain why they prefer view X or what they think is wrong with view Z.)

Who are these folk varian? They are the people that labour or whoever need to vote for them.

Really?

My impression is that these folk pay absolutely no attention to any other opinions.

They didn't listen because if you are constantly told you are stupid for reading the express and mail then strangely enough you move away from the people singing that song.

Ahh Sunak the chap who wants to charge NHS workers to park at hospitals. Remember that nurses ,and many others, work shifts that mean they cannot always use public transport. I don’t see him rushing to give them a pay rise either and in fact I read that he’d voted against it.

Frankly, anything could happen. I haven’t got a crystal ball so I think I’ll just have to wait and see. My biggest fear is a huge second wave of the virus. We should all be afraid of that, including the politicians.

People do not listen because they have been brainwashed by the poisonous propaganda which has been drip, drip, dripping into them for years.

Have you ever spoken to a Daily Express reader WWm2?

Why oh why did people not listen. It is disastrous.

Rishi is a much better prospect than Boris but I never understood how Boris could have got where he is in the first place. Goodness knows what will happen.

Sterling is faling through the floor - and I think most people now realise how things will pan out - Covid + No Deal Brexit will be an absolute disaster.

I agree Welshwife about needing to see how things pan out over the next few months re RS. There’s plenty of opposition on the Tory back benchers to his very interventionist approach but if it works out, they’ll forgive him. I wonder how he and DC get on? And of course, the two unknowns are whether there’ll be a second wave and the consequences of Brexit and whatever deal (or not) that emerges as for RS wanting to be PM or not, I doubt he came into politics to be Number 2.

Many of them have blood on their hands.

GillT57

Yes well, poor old Javid fell foul of Cummings. I hope he is plotting a cold slow revenge.

Javid, as Home Secretary, has the blood of Shamima Begum's new born baby on his hands. I wonder if in retrospect he loses any sleep over that decision?

He can stay in the political wilderness.

Keir Starmer is certainly more popular than Corbyn and Rishi Sunak is certainly today's most popular Tory, but political honeymoons can be short.

Does anyone remember how popular Gordon Brown was just before the election which never was (because he bottled out) or how popular Nick Clegg was when he beat Brown and Cameron hands down in a tv debate where the other two competed with each other to say "I agree with Nick"?

Who knows what might happen before the next election?

Yes well, poor old Javid fell foul of Cummings. I hope he is plotting a cold slow revenge.

A few months ago Sajid Javid (The Saj - remember him?) was briefly the darling of GN Tories, however he never even got to deliver his first budget!

Four years is a very long time in politics.

I think with Rishi Sunak it will depend how all measures pan out over the next few months and what he does for the unemployed. Besides which he may not want to be leader.

The country is in such a mess it needs a huge cull of people who have created this mess and maybe a coalition of people who have an idea to run the country to form a government - from all parties.

As much as I would like to see the people who lied so much to create this fiasco sorting it out I think they will just make a far worse tangle which will be almost impossible to sort out.

EllanVannin

Well it was either unemployment or working through the virus. What would any of us have done ? Risk it, perhaps like the front-line workers have done, NHS and food providers ?

I bet a lot of companies and workers, who didn't contract the virus were wishing they had taken a chance !

Let's face it, the amount of deaths we've had doesn't exceed many against a winter of 'flu deaths in the country.

According to an NHS report the average number of flu deaths each year is around 10,000. The number of actual deaths from covid 19 is in excess of 44,000, not including those who might have had other problems.