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Restraining violent, drugged abusive members if the public

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Sparkling Tue 14-Jul-20 07:24:16

Any ideas how you can safely arrest a drugged up and violent member of the public one of whom could have a knife or weapon. This is part of police life, often the violent person can be physically much larger than the arresting officer. It would be enlightening to the general public as well"

Sandycat Tue 14-Jul-20 19:14:24

Just to correct you Oopsminty, Chauvin did know George Floyd. Widely reported that they both worked as bouncers in a Mexican themed nightspot. Chauvin would have knowledge of his Record no doubt and it has been reported that Chauvin had a known dislike/fear of African Americans.

Oopsminty Tue 14-Jul-20 19:14:17

EllanVannin

If anyone can shout that they're not breathing, they're making a good job of not breathing. Anyone who can't breathe, can't speak let alone shout.
Try speaking when your throat's constricted.

Not true, EllanVannin

"The ability to speak does not mean the patient is without danger," said Dr. Mariell Jessup, chief science and medical officer of the American Heart Association.

"To speak, you only have to move air through the upper airways and the vocal cords, a very small amount," and that does not mean that enough air is getting down into the lungs where it can supply the rest of the body with oxygen, said Dr. Gary Weissman, a lung specialist at the University of Pennsylvania.

Ilovecheese Tue 14-Jul-20 19:09:58

I don't blame you Galaxy

Whitewavemark2 Tue 14-Jul-20 19:09:33

Galaxy

Sorry I have just realised I am in a discussion where someone has just asked if I have video clips of children dying. I dont want be part of this anymore.

?

Galaxy Tue 14-Jul-20 19:06:09

Sorry I have just realised I am in a discussion where someone has just asked if I have video clips of children dying. I dont want be part of this anymore.

Galaxy Tue 14-Jul-20 18:57:51

No of course not annie. Young people in secure or residential establishments arent on video. This info is provided in training based on the official inquiries into peoples deaths.

MissAdventure Tue 14-Jul-20 18:54:33

That theory has been proved outdated, ellanVannin

Whitewavemark2 Tue 14-Jul-20 18:49:30

Floyd’s family had a private autopsy carried out.

The conclusion.

Mechanical asphyxia and manner of death was homocide.

The County autopsy reported manner of death was homocide. Cause of death was cardiopulmonary arrest, complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck suppression.

GagaJo Tue 14-Jul-20 18:47:04

Ah yes. Floyd must have been lying.

EllanVannin Tue 14-Jul-20 18:46:05

If anyone can shout that they're not breathing, they're making a good job of not breathing. Anyone who can't breathe, can't speak let alone shout.
Try speaking when your throat's constricted.

phoenix Tue 14-Jul-20 18:45:14

Have I missed something, or has Sparkling not returned since the O.P.? hmm

trisher Tue 14-Jul-20 18:36:57

Let's put it like this if no-one had knelt on his neck he would most likely be alive today.

MissAdventure Tue 14-Jul-20 18:11:00

I have read that he didn't die from the sort of asphyxia associated with being strangled.

I rather thought his death was caused by pressure applied to his chest, his neck, which made breathing impossible when sustained as it was.

25Avalon Tue 14-Jul-20 18:01:07

The neck restraint may not have killed him. He had taken drugs and suffered from hypertension. The coroners report says he did not die of asphyxiation.

Madgran77 Tue 14-Jul-20 17:58:38

eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/29/george-floyd-experts-say-neck-restraint-allowed-minneapolis-can-kill/5274334002/

""Regardless of what Mr. Floyd allegedly did or didn’t do, there’s no reason to put a knee on the neck," said John Peters Jr., president of the Institute for the Prevention and Management of In-Custody Deaths, which trains police academy instructors on use of force."

"Andy Scoogman, executive director of the Minnesota Chiefs of Police, which represents hundreds of police chiefs, called the actions "appalling" and said his association has never advocated for training that teaches an officer to place a knee on someone’s neck."

Anniebach Tue 14-Jul-20 17:54:32

Galaxy you said ‘the ones who have died (and young people
have died in restraint) all said I can’t breath ‘,

I asked if you had video clips of all these people saying ‘I can’t
breath’.

Madgran77 Tue 14-Jul-20 17:52:37

but that doesn’t alter the fact that his criminal record shows he was perfectly capable of violence.

It is STILL completely irrelevant to the actions of the police officer!!

In cases like that the neck restraint appears to be effective.

It killed him! It could kill others if used wrongly! "Effective"????? confused

Of course it has to be done carefully

That is the problem ...slightly the wrong place on the neck and that's it potentially!! Certainly the wrong place for an unnecessarily prolonged period will definitely be it!!!

Galaxy Tue 14-Jul-20 17:40:10

Restraint and control changes all the time jennifer certainly one of the type of restraints I used many years ago is now banned. It's not unusual.

Galaxy Tue 14-Jul-20 17:38:38

Sorry i am not sure what you are talking about annie.

Anniebach Tue 14-Jul-20 17:28:54

Are there video clips to all these deaths ?

JenniferEccles Tue 14-Jul-20 17:28:37

I have repeatedly stressed that what happened to Floy was wrong. I am not trying to excuse what happened in that particular case but I just feel there shouldn’t be a massive knee jerk reaction by banning the procedure altogether.

Galaxy Tue 14-Jul-20 17:05:57

The ones who have died (and young people have died in restraint) all said I cant breathe.

Oopsminty Tue 14-Jul-20 17:04:15

Jennifer. Just Google clips of what happened before Floyd was on the ground. Do some research

Had he been violent and resisting arrest it might be different

But he wasn't

Many states in USA have already banned officers from using this tactic.

JenniferEccles Tue 14-Jul-20 17:00:20

Wouldn’t they all say they couldn’t breathe though Galaxy ?

Then as soon as you loosen your hold they are off, or worse, have you in their control?

Galaxy Tue 14-Jul-20 16:55:08

I am 5ft 2, I have restrained young adult males, I have been trained in three types of control and restraint , all restraint in dangerous, that which involves the neck well words fail me. The first thing we were taught is if they say they cant breathe believe them.