Restraining violent, drugged abusive members if the public

I think most of us do admire the police and would not want to face these challenges ourselves.

Things must have got much worse because of the reduction in funding for mental health support services.

some seem to be more concerned about the violent thugs than those risking their lives to keep us safe

No-one is saying that!

My brother was a police officer for many years. He apprehended many very violent people. Neck restraint was not used precisely because it can very easily be fatal. He was highly trained in methods to restrain violent people if necessary; his training did not include deliberate neck restraint.

A criminal with a knife. Well no, I don't think anything that anyone has said has suggested that the victim, his wife, should be left to her fate!!! My brother frequently worked with female colleagues. apprehended people with knives...and his female colleagues were also highly trained in restraint techniques, and very effective they were too.

I don't think anyone on this thread is unaware of the bravery of Police officers in risking their lives to make society safer! That isn't actually what the discussion is about!

In view of the incidents now being filmed and posted on linewould those who said the UK police didn't kneel on necks like to revise their comments?

Well in that case presumably it’s a recognised form of restraint of violent criminals resisting arrest, both here and in the States.

It’s probably been used for many years.

I had absolutely no idea that our police use kneeling on necks as a form of restraint. I thought that happened only in America, so it has surprised me to find out it is used here. I hope it is not used often, I would rather it wasn’t used at all. I have no suggestions as to how dangerous members of the public should be restrained, I think those who deal with these problems are the ones who need to decide how and when people should be restrained. Clearly sometimes they are restrained by a bullet, as in the case of terrorism, but we as the general public cannot be involved in deciding how violent members of the public should be restrained.

According to a senior Police official on the news last night JenniferEccles neck restraint is most definitely not a recognised form of restraint in the UK and he stated that it is not part of police training in restraint methods.

Your presumption JE is of course wrong. How on earth could you think that unless anything goes in your book?

In fact this ‘violent criminal resisting arrest’ was such a handful that those who have seen the whole video describe the second policeman leaving his colleague to deal with this skinny little man alone and trying to clear the filming public away.

So not such a ‘violent’ character then that he needed two officers?

In the UK case the officer who used kneeling on the neck has been suspended pending investigation. It is not an approved method of restraint except possibly in very extreme circumstances (it seemed a bit vague on what was permitted) but this was not an extreme circumstance. Stupid to do it to a black guy as well as bound to be taken as racist.

I don`t have any family members/friends in the police force but i do worry about their safety as there does seem to be more attacks on them of late.
And this knee restraining in the UK seems to have come over from the US as iv`e never seen it in this country before and i don`t like it.
There has to be another way surely but i suppose they have to do whats right at the time.

The black man who appeared to be restrained by a knee on the neck it now transpires had a knive and has been charged with possession of such. Out police are unarmed so it was a bad situation for them. It will be interesting to see what the independent enquiry finds.

Knife

There is no "appeared" about it the officer kneels on his neck. He then leaves the suspect to berate the crowd. So if this man really was a threat his actions are wrong anyway. What would have happened if the event had not been filmed? www.youtube.com/watch?v=geWnr2HAL8Q

Trisher. This guy was wanted on recall to prison, he was carrying a knife, presumably to use on someone, if not why carry one. How can those young policeman arrest a violent guy, that that doesn’t want to be recaptured. You go out on the streets and show us please. I would love to know. They act instinctively trying not to let suspect escape, they shouldn’t be on anyone’s neck, but in the pandemonium you can understand how momentarily it can happen. I would rather my law abiding family and friends were safe than some thug with a dangerous weapon. You don’t get that treatment if you are just walking by. Does no one think of the victims of knife crime, how many lives are lost or ruined.. This bleating on about criminals and their rights, what about mine to feel safe.if these police are disciplined I wouldn’t blame the lot of them of saying alright sort it out yourselves, they can’t do right for doing wrong. What would you do if threatened with a knife, just say there’s a good boy put it down, no you would fight for your life, if anyone attacked one of mine I would do anything to save them hurt. The police do that for us.

the arrested man has been charged with possession of a bladed article; whether he is guilty of an offence is for the court to decide. we must not pre-judge the matter.
there are rules about statements that can be published about criminal matters where someone has been arrested and charged.
for these purposes, forums such as this equate to a publication.

Why would anyone carry a knife if the intention wasn't supposed to have been there to use one ?

The excuse for this is always the same---" for protection "

My eye !

Carry any sort of a weapon and the intention to use it is ALWAYS there, or why arm yourself at all ?
Normal people don't go around carrying knives/guns. Simple as that.

The video footage that I have seen today and is circulating on social media is extremely disturbing," Metropolitan Police Deputy Commissioner Steve House said in a statement. "Some of the techniques used cause me great concern - they are not taught in police training."

This is all that is relevant.

The charge is ‘being in possession of a knife in a public place’

Sparkling ; The man the officers were trying to detain apparently was carrying a knife although I did not see that on the video. I did see the officer put his knee on the mans neck which should not be allowed as a method of restraint.

Some posts are saying that is all the police can do to restrain a violent person, no wrong, each officer is equipped with taser, police baton ,hand cuffs and the pepper spray for the eyes. I have worked with some ex-offenders and they tell me that the pepper spray to the eyes is lethal once sprayed you are almost immediately blinded and the effects do wear off but the eyes can remain infected for weeks after. I have been told the spray is the worst thing you can get. Also the taser does a good job but I do understand an officer has to be in the correct position to release the taser on someone.
So to me there are many options for an officer to use without going for the knee on the neck.

It's meant to be disturbing to garner more publicity for the Black Rights movement.

It's just a thousand pities it was filmed ! The police must be cheesed off at the way their workload is now presented.
Once upon a time their job was a success in keeping law and order and if a would-be thug saw an officer on patrol he'd change his mind.

Society is violent and can't now be treated with the same respect which was once given as police officers don't know the minute when someone will be armed so naturally, they're not going to run the other way and leave the public at the mercy of a would-be killer so their adrenaline works overtime in the fight mode.

How would anyone feel if one of these thugs went on the rampage carrying a knife if the police walked the other way ?

Sparkling watch the video. The man is on the ground and restrained one officer kneels on his neck. A crowd gathers asking if the man is OK. Eventually the officer stops kneeling on his neck and then leaves him and walks around the crowd. The arrested man sits up as the other officer holds him but offers no resistance or any indication that he is violent. No matter how you look at it the officer behaves badly. If as you say the arrested man was such a threat he leaves his colleague exposed to that threat.
One point made by a retired senior black Met officer is that distrust of the police will increase if this isn't dealt with.

I wouldn't say it is meant to be disturbing.
It is simply film taken by a passerby, presumably.

Trisher. Have you any member of your family you love? That works hard is honest and a lovely
person, who was slashed across his face nearly losing his eye was and is now scarred for life, Luckily it was filmed and the guy pleaded guilty, his excuse, he had been out with his mates and had a few, the police couldn’t restrain him, he was caught by video footage and shopped. That doesn’t help one bit the 25 year old scarred for Life, just being in the wrong place. The guy concerned had form as long as your arm. That is the reality of the situation, not some poor misunderstood guy who was carrying a 8” serrated blade, just in case. He pleaded guilty as there was no other option. In my eyes it should be attempted murder. No one should carry a gun or a weapon. The guy was 52 years old, how many more has he hurt and it was not videod.

I think we should see what the investigation reveals. Apparently the police were originally called because there was a fight going on with people with knives. There is police cam that needs to be seen. I say appears and apparently rather than being vehement because this whole incident needs to be fully examined. The police officer has quite rightly been suspended whilst this happens. Without being in possession of all the facts it is not for us to prejudge. Looking at the video it could just be the officer was desperately trying to prise a knife away without getting it in the belly. I don’t know.

BLM told their supporters to take shots with their mobile phones of any police action but to make sure no BLM supporters are on it.

To me I think many posts on this thread are mostly pointing a finger towards BLM and supporters of them. Since the killing of George Floyd all we have had is the constant and ongoing threads about how the police do their jobs. They put up with a lot however I am finding all the threads about BLM and this happened and that happened getting tedious and boring to say the least not something I will keep posting on in future.