Restraining violent, drugged abusive members if the public

It was at least two police officers killed wasn't it? One whose feet were lassoed by some lads stealing a quad bike in Berkshire, the police officer was dragged to his death when they drove off. And then one in a terrorist attack? Perhaps the first doesn't count as a death on duty??
The police and paramedics do a fantastic job in the face of appalling behaviour by some, often under the influence of drink or drugs. The police are often left to manage situations which result from the withdrawal of funded care by councils and social work departments.
I recently heard a podcast where a policeman was talking about having had a breakdown, called to a late night road accident, he thought he was walking through water from a burst drain. Turned out it was blood from the four dead people in the car. Most of us really have no idea.

Should we perhaps extend this debate to include those who deal with drugged up and violent members of the public with none of the powers or equipment which is standard issue to police officers. Amongst them NHS staff dealing with people with mental health problems and staff in young offender and other establishments dealing with children with violent histories who all have real and very strict guidelines to follow about how they are permitted to restrain the people they are dealing with. But manage to do it anyway.

So easy to dismiss the police, they are spat at, sworn at, jibed, have missiles thrown at them.

Surprise , when they put on uniforms they are still human beings, they have parents ,wives, children .

Yes a minority lose it, - they are not super human and I am
sick of the fact they are targets for Black Lives Matter and the criticism showered on them because of the brutality of an
American police officer,

The ‘only one police officer killed’ could have been your son,
husband, father, daughter,

Police brutality ? What about thugs brutality? Every call out
could be to someone armed with a knife or machete.

I would have no idea how to restrain a person like that. Someone mentioned that tasers are useful but they are illegal to the public and no public person should have one.

It is a difficult life for police officers although they do get thorough training and they know the type of career they are choosing. (My cousin is in the Met police) she never talks about work and when I meet with her she just enjoys off duty times.

The same BLM who want to defund the police and whose activist in London at the weekend compared our police to the KKK!

A thread started to try to undermine BLM and to excuse police brutality.

So sorry to hear how your husband died Anniebach. I have no words...

Anniebach I am thankful to police officers who are prepared to give their lives to protect us. I am sorry your dh was one of these.

Thank goodness my husband was the ‘only police officer’ whose car was rammed and he was left to die on a country road at night .

Thank goodness P.C.Blakelock was ‘the only police officer’
hacked to death in Broad Farm riots

Let’s be thankful

Only one police officer against what it could possibly have been in the light of the sort of people they have to deal with.

“Only” in the sense of thank goodness.

What was said - ‘only one police officer was killed ‘.

Why not ‘one police officer was killed’

That's absolutely not what was said.

Only one police officer killed on duty , that’s ok,

Every police death is a death too many, however, the level of police deaths in the UK as a direct result of criminal action is extremely low, for which we must be very thankful.

In 2019 only one police officer was killed on duty. Others may have died e.g. heart attack etc. Only one indirect mortality in 2018.

Compare this to the numbers of people who die as a result of police action and I think you can conclude that the police are very well protected.

When my colleague was having his tie used as a noose by a member of the public he found that a knee applied to the testicles did the trick. And he wore clip on ties after that.

Putting on handcuffs when the attacker has a knife ?

I'm not a trained police officer but I expect they have many ways to restrain someone that isn't suffocating them, also the good old handcuffs seem to work quite well

Sorry! With the organisational culture.

In my experience over 20 + years misuse of restraint indicated fundamental issues with the organisa

MaisieD I am not a violent criminal, I don’t take drugs of any description, and as far as I know I don’t suffer from hypertension so I would be no good for such an experiment. Furthermore there is no need when you can just let the coroner do his job.

When did police in the U.K. start kneeling on the neck ?

P.C. Palmer wasn’t armed when he was stabbed to death

Oh,of course not, Avalon.

Would you like to verify that with a practical experiment. With you being the person being knelt on, of course?

The general public are advised not to have a go in these situations but to call the police instead who as WW2 says spend hours training and have the equipment to deal with such scenarios. This is their job and many are heroic in carrying it out. If they use excess force there are accountable.

MaisieD it is not proven that kneeling on the neck is an actual cause of death. If you are high on drugs and have hypertension then these are the major factors which show up on the pm. Not being able to breathe is also symptomatic of heart problems. The courts have not yet decided. This method of restraint is used in many countries and clearly needs looking at.

There are plenty of restraint techniques that are, no doubt, taught, risk assessed, and have policies and procedures in place, to ensure they're used appropriately.

I would assume that would include instruction to use the least restrictive methods, always.

I have been trained in 3 types of restraint over the years, I also qualified in the teaching of restraint ( I am using the word restraint but that's not what it was called). I have seen restraint go wrong and I have also seen restraint misused. Do you want to know if kneeling on someone's neck is ever a legitimate use of control?

sparkling odd sort of question.

Have you not understood previously that this is what the police do?

Day in and day out.

A large part of their physical training is about just this scenario and they are given plenty of equipment to defend themselves as well as the general public. In the final analyses of course they are armed, but thankfully very rarely.

My neighbour also helps the police in these sort of situations. He is an emergency mental health nurse and these poor folk are often violent.

Hope you are more enlightened now. Police don’t just potter about in their cars you know or Sit at desks solving murders?