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The Russian Report

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MaizieD Tue 21-Jul-20 13:05:52

The ISC report on Russian interference is out today. It doesn't point the finger of blame at individuals, I didn't realistically think that it would (though that might be in the unpublished Annexe). But in a way it is worse, it points the finger at the last few years of tory government and the Intelligence services.

This is the summary given to the media:

Basically the report says that we know that there is Russian interference. There was no investigation of Russian interference in the EU referendum because the government chose not to pursue it.

When you look at the amount of Russian money being laundered through City financial institutions, oligarchical investment in property, football clubs, newspapers etc. and the huge amounts of Russian money being donated to the tory party you begin to understand why tory governments weren't too keen on deeper investigation...

Urmstongran Tue 21-Jul-20 18:49:15

Today, from the Washington Post:

“Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage said the report exonerated him and his movement to leave the European Union. “Years of lies and smears from Remain politicians and much of our media. There is no evidence of Russian involvement with Leave EU or me in the referendum,” he wrote on Facebook. “It was all a hoax — apologies are now required.”

Guy Verhofstadt, the chief Brexit negotiator for the European Parliament, tweeted that Brexit had been “a gift” to Russian President Vladimir Putin. But he offered only the relatively toothless observation that “the Russia Report shows just how many questions remain unanswered.”

This must come as a huge disappointment to Remainers/anti Boris brigade/conspiracy theorists.

The report was a bit of a dull thud for expectations.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 21-Jul-20 18:41:12

lemongrove

Whitewavemark2

The Tory party is a threat to U.K. security

?
No, that would be Corbyn and friends, they were great pals with Russians.

Tell me, what did Mays government do after Salisbury?

GrannyGravy13 Tue 21-Jul-20 18:36:12

Corbyn and Co couldn’t bring themselves to condemn the Russians for the Salisbury poisonings.

lemongrove Tue 21-Jul-20 18:14:49

Whitewavemark2

The Tory party is a threat to U.K. security

?
No, that would be Corbyn and friends, they were great pals with Russians.

biba70 Tue 21-Jul-20 17:58:36

There are of course 175 parts of the report which have been redacted out and replaced with 3 *
and a whole annex document that has not been released.

These of course contain the parts which are truly and totally damaging to this Government and that they do NOT want us to see. I do hope Dominic Grieve will finally drop his honest allegeance to the Conservatives and explain to the public what is in these numerous redactions and the annexed document. His allegeance should now be to the electorate, not to Johnson.

biba70 Tue 21-Jul-20 17:07:21

Would anyone else be happy to put their hand in their pocket?
And encourage their opposition MPs and parties to join up to get this done?

biba70 Tue 21-Jul-20 16:47:15

Project fear- they said- conspiracy theories. One more to become nothing but. Democracy is dead.

If the Tories refuse to investigate the allegations properly- then all the opposition parties need to ally to do it themselves- crowd funding to do the job. I'd be very happy to contribute.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 21-Jul-20 16:44:34

Guy Verhofstadt

Brexit was always a gift to Putin because it weakened the European Union & left Britain divided, isolated. The #RussiaReport shows just how many questions remain unanswered.

growstuff Tue 21-Jul-20 16:23:36

No, because the government turned a blind eye. Too many with power had a vested interest in not seeing.

AGAA4 Tue 21-Jul-20 16:17:11

There was no proof and may never be.

growstuff Tue 21-Jul-20 16:13:15

AGAA4

I was resigned to leaving the EU by what I thought was a democratic vote.
Now I am furious that the Russians may have influenced the vote to go the way they wanted.

Some of us have been saying that for a long time.

AGAA4 Tue 21-Jul-20 16:10:45

I was resigned to leaving the EU by what I thought was a democratic vote.
Now I am furious that the Russians may have influenced the vote to go the way they wanted.

growstuff Tue 21-Jul-20 16:10:37

Whitewavemark2

Margaret Hodge
@margarethodge
Russia Report confirms what we already knew. Russian oligarchs have used their dirty money to buy unprecedented power & influence in the UK, all with the support of the Kremlin.

The UK is now the location of choice for dirty money. Our capital is now the "London Laundromat".

And it won't get any better when the UK establishes "free ports", which will be unregulated and magnets for smugglers.

How to turn a once great country into prime bandit territory ...

growstuff Tue 21-Jul-20 16:07:58

Weird isn't it? In the past, I would have trusted a Conservative government to look after British interests on the world stage.

Events over the last couple of weeks have been extremely suspicious. I didn't expect much from the Russia Report, so I'm not that disappointed.

However, I find Cummings' meddling in MI5, MI6, the SAS and Porton Down concerning, as well as the threats to the armed forces. Add to that the attempt to install puppet Grayling as Chair of the ISC and the removal of Mark Sedwill as National Security Advisor and replacement by David Frost, who has no experience of security, and the total incompetence of the Home Secretary. The government is currently advertising for a new civil servant to be in charge of digital vetting of security clearance. I wonder who'll get the contract for that!

Meanwhile, the government is making a total hash of Brexit and Covid-19.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 21-Jul-20 16:01:16

Margaret Hodge
@margarethodge
Russia Report confirms what we already knew. Russian oligarchs have used their dirty money to buy unprecedented power & influence in the UK, all with the support of the Kremlin.

The UK is now the location of choice for dirty money. Our capital is now the "London Laundromat".

Whitewavemark2 Tue 21-Jul-20 15:47:32

The Tory party is a threat to U.K. security

Whitewavemark2 Tue 21-Jul-20 15:46:40

We also have to ask why the Conservative Party took no action whatsoever when Russia launched a chemical warfare attack on UK soil while Johnson was Foreign Secretary.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 21-Jul-20 15:06:52

Cowards - the lot of them.

GillT57 Tue 21-Jul-20 15:04:37

Does the high potential of Russian interference in referendum make it illegitimate? Yes

Will it make any difference, will Johnson and Cummings admit it? No

Will the people who voted for this clusterf**k admit they were fools and were lied to? No

Am I angry? No, I am bloody livid that some people, who knew nothing about fisheries/immigration/blue passports/unicorns have landed me and my family in this mess.

Will anyone come on here to defend the Russia report and explain why I should calm down? No, I think the Boris fan club are lying low after the betrayal of the NHS vote.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 21-Jul-20 14:56:32

Does the high potential of Russian interference in referendum make it illegitimate?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 21-Jul-20 14:54:52

"Is he afraid it would expose that he & his Vote Leave colleagues were beneficiaries of Russian interference? Are there other connections of cash or kompromat which could embarrass senior figures?"

Daisymae Tue 21-Jul-20 14:31:31

Wonder what Cummings was actually doing in Russia for those years he was resident?

varian Tue 21-Jul-20 14:25:24

Better not to ask a question than risk getting an answer you won't like.

Great tactic if you can get away with it.

MaizieD Tue 21-Jul-20 14:23:41

As someone pointed out, it would be up to the Foreign Secretary to order an investigation. Who was Foreign Secretary when this was being mooted?

One A.B.P. Johnson.

(Though I wonder why Theresa May didn't insist on one...)

growstuff Tue 21-Jul-20 14:22:15

I see no ships.