Boris is up in Scotland today ???????

Agree with you totally.

As a LibDem, I have to say that I agree, Gill. The only thing I ever agreed with UKIP about was the need for electoral reform.

Yes but Paddyanne the same could be said about many areas. Where I live, more people voted against the incumbent Tory than for him, so we too are not represented surely? More people did not vote for Brexit than did, but here we are up to our necks in it. The 2015 Election is a case in point: Tories won but:
UKIP got 3,881,099 votes (12.6%) and 1 seat while SNP got 1,454,436 votes and 56 seats
I am no fan of UKIP, but perhaps you ought to have a rethink about shouting about how unfair it all is? What about the millions of people who voted for UKIP and ended up with no parliamentary representation?

I heard that the men of Orkney hid their wives and locked up their fridges for the day.

I couldn't possibly say if that's true.

Actualy growstuff they are shitting themselves at the thought they might lose all that lovely money that has financed WM's projects for decades WHEN Scotland gains independence .Lets face it they're not interested in Scotland for any other reason! Its not our charm and good looks as Frankie Boyle says ,they're worried about the cash....if we leave it leaves with us

1955 ..That was the LAST time Scotland voted for a Tory majority .You dont think its a very strange kind of democracy that has seen us landed with Tory governments for decades since then? We are NOT in a union! This is not a democracy I dont remember England having to ask for permission to drag us all out of the EU when both NI and Scotland wanted to remain .Its one rule for them and another for the rest of us

"The man can't do anything right in some people's eyes", absolutely agree with you. He is a charlatan,a liar and all the things some of us have been pointing out for a long time. Getting back to the OP, that was an interesting point about not wishing to be responsible for breaking up the Union, but allowing it to happen through the 'will of the people', he is not keen on taking responsibility for anything of course.

Elegran

Maybe he is afraid Orcadians will secede from both the UK and Scotland and become part of Norway again.

It’s insulting to suggest a few hours in Orkney for a photo op is “visiting Scotland”. I guess a trip to the Farne Islands and a picture with some Puffins would be the same as visiting the whole of England.

growstuff

lemongrove

Actually, I don’t think David Cameron was popular in Scotland either, when was the last English Conservative PM ever popular there?

Alec Douglas-Home was of Scottish ancestry and was an MP for a Scottish seat.

The Conservatives won more Scottish seats in the 1955 general election than any other party.

Well, you did ask!

Of Scottish ancestry and a seat in Scotland, hmmm, hardly an all English PM then.....and a very long time ago.
He may not be as warmly welcomed if he were PM now!?

growstuff how so? Political advantage? He has four and a half years to go as PM and which PM wants to be the one in power hosting the break up of a long union with Scotland.
It would be more to his advantage to allow things to coast and settle down, what with the virus and Brexit, and allow his successor ( possibly Keir Starmer!) take the flak.

Really growstuff?? What’s in it for them to do so? Who are
These ‘some English people’?

Elegran I think the visit to Orkney went well enough as things are, but had Johnson and his team told Sturgeon beforehand then there would likely have been a rent-a-mob
Waiting there for his helicopter to arrive.It was a political PR decision not to inform her, nothing to do with manners.

lemongrove

Because it’s the SNP supporters who shout loudest, it often seems that all all Scots support wee Nichola.....but they don’t!
As Jane10 says don’t forget the silent majority who would rather stay linked to the UK.I can’t see Johnson allowing another referendum any time soon in any case.

Really? It would be to his political advantage to allow a second referendum, especially as the outcome is quite likely to be independence.

varian

or he could try "will of Putin"

Maybe it was a typo. Putin and people both begin with "p".

lemongrove

Actually, I don’t think David Cameron was popular in Scotland either, when was the last English Conservative PM ever popular there?

Alec Douglas-Home was of Scottish ancestry and was an MP for a Scottish seat.

The Conservatives won more Scottish seats in the 1955 general election than any other party.

Well, you did ask!

or he could try "will of Putin"

Some English people have done quite well over the years of stirring up Scottish feeling against them.

I think Johnson would be very happy for Scotland to gain independence. It ensures a Conservative majority in England in perpetuity. Of course, he doesn't want to be seen as the person who finally broke up the union, so he needs to be an actor in some kind of charade to blame somebody else. He won't even need to invent a new slogan - he can reuse "will of the people".

Lemongrove He doesn't need her permission, but if he is visiting part of a country of which she is First Minister and is planning to make political comments, then basic good manners demand that he drops her a line to say "By the way, I will be in Orkney on Thursday for a while. Sorry, but a busy schedule prevents me stopping off in Edinburgh to say hello." A note from one leader to another. A real leader would know that instinctively.

He is deliberately demonstrating that HE has precedence over her and can walk in unannounced whenever he wants to, like the bailiffs with a court order in their hand. It is a warning shot across the bows of devolution.

Elegran

It is called making sure that there is no chance of bumping into wee Nicola by visiting the second furthest-away island from Edinburgh well off the North coast of Scotland, flying in and out so that you don't even have to break your journey to drop in and say hello, and not even telling her in advance that you will be there. I think he is feart.

Your last sentence ......? I doubt that very much.He wasn’t there to meet her, not everything revolves around her after all.He hardly needs her permission to visit anywhere in Scotland.

mcem......simply wondering what on earth you are talking about.....what do ‘Boris supporters’ and ‘moral highgrounds’ have to do with Johnson’s visit to Scotland?
You surely weren’t just ‘having a pop’ were you??
The fact is, no English PM, and a Conservative one at that, would ever be welcome in Scotland, particularly now that the SNP have stirred up so much anti-English feeling.

In Orkney, when they cross the water to Wick or Scrabster, they call that visiting Scotland.

“The man can't do anything right in some people's eyes. “

The man can’t do anything wrong in some people’s eyes.

It is called making sure that there is no chance of bumping into wee Nicola by visiting the second furthest-away island from Edinburgh well off the North coast of Scotland, flying in and out so that you don't even have to break your journey to drop in and say hello, and not even telling her in advance that you will be there. I think he is feart.