Why did Starmer settle out of court Give a grovelling apology and pay out six figure sum?

Galaxy

Sorry if its inconvenient for you grandad. I am from lavery's neck of the woods so am fairly familiar with it all. And there was Ashington football club saga as well wasnt there, the list is endless. Never voted tory in my life. But also posess the understanding that in order for labour to be in power they have to persuade tory voters to vote for them .

I do not believe that even Ian Lavery himself has claimed that he is everyones perfect person.

However, what that has to do with the "cock up" of the Labour Party that Kier Starmer is making as its leader is beyond me?????????

You brought up lavery not me.

Devorgilla

Grany, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Unite pay out for a Squawkbox legal matter which, I believe, was lost. £2 million approximately I believe. Were the members consulted about that?

Do you mean the Turling case?

Unite certainly paid its own and Skwawkbox's fine and legal costs, but I don't know how much they were.

I seem to remember that Annie was heavily criticised to the point of bullying when she expressed feelings of dismay as the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn unfolded, to the extent that she was told to accept the leadership without criticism if she wished to remain an accepted Socialist! Surely people now who are criticising Kier Starmer should have a taste their own medicine, accept that the party is under new management, and accept the new leader unconditionally, as you advocated and expected Annie to do?!!

Galaxy

You brought up lavery not me.

Galaxy Ian Lavery was mentioned in the Guardian Report on the McCluskey weekend interviews, that was all.

.*......accept and support the new leadership.......*

Grandad Yes allegedly janeianworth. However, nothing has been brought to court in regard to the issue, and the last I read on those allegations, those who made them are now themselves under investigation.
Oh you mean John Sweeney, Ed Brown and others at the BBC?
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-41688280

Who is "you"

Indeed Grandad and people responded to it.

Apologies my above post was meant to be for jabberworks 18:03 post.

It's all getting mixed up on this thread with everybody posting at once. ???

Were Unite members consulted about the £417,000 loan made to McCluskey to buy a London flat?

Were they consulted about the Skwawkbox payment?

growstuff all the expenditure of the Unite Union is examined by the elected lay member National Executive Committee at each of its scheduled quarterly meetings.

An offshoot that committee the elected again lay member led Finance and General Purposes Committee meets on a monthly basis at a minimum and vets all abnormal expenditure prior to it being spent.

'you' Grandad?! I've re read my above post and I can't find that word!

Grandad1943

growstuff all the expenditure of the Unite Union is examined by the elected lay member National Executive Committee at each of its scheduled quarterly meetings.

An offshoot that committee the elected again lay member led Finance and General Purposes Committee meets on a monthly basis at a minimum and vets all abnormal expenditure prior to it being spent.

You haven't answered my questions?

Were members consulted about both payments? Were they even aware they had been made?

If not, why should the payments to the so-called whistle blowers be any different?

Jabberwok

'you' Grandad?! I've re read my above post and I can't find that word!

Jabberwok, the last line of your post @18:03 reads "as you advocated and expected Annie to do?!!"

growstuff, in regard to your post @18:53 today, the entire membership of the Unite Union elect the Members of the National Executive Committee and all other committees within the Unite Structure.

The reason anyone elects persons to any body that affects their life is that those elected people can carry out decisions for those they have been elected to represent.

However, within Unite the Minutes of the National Executive are circulated to all its Reginal and District Committees for those members to examine and pass resolutions, motions or just comment on at their meetings.

Good democratic practise top to bottom. What a pity that Kier Starmer has not learned and put such into effect since he became Labour leader.

Oh yes, my mistake! Perhaps I should have said 'people who were bullying and criticising her, ' I'll leave it to you to work out who those people were, I clearly can't name them as it would be considered a personal attack and be breaking GN rules!!!! Do you not agree that as people told Annie, those same people should now be accepting the new leader unconditionally even though the politics are now not to those people's taste, exactly as you expected her to do?!

Jabberwok

Oh yes, my mistake! Perhaps I should have said 'people who were bullying and criticising her, ' I'll leave it to you to work out who those people were, I clearly can't name them as it would be considered a personal attack and be breaking GN rules!!!! Do you not agree that as people told Annie, those same people should now be accepting the new leader unconditionally even though the politics are now not to those people's taste, exactly as you expected her to do?!

That's OK jabberwok as obviously you are not including me in your "you" as I was not a member of this forum during the time period your original post referred too.

As for accepting Starmer as leader, that I have done. However, I and many others will not now accept the many exclusions and wrong practise he has engaged in since he took up that office.

Those unacceptable exclusions and practices I have already outlined in this thread.

I don't think that Grandad was posting at the time this alleged bullying went on, Jabberwok. Neither was I when JC was first elected leader. In fact, I think that very few people who are now on this thread were posting at the time.

Grandad1943

growstuff, in regard to your post @18:53 today, the entire membership of the Unite Union elect the Members of the National Executive Committee and all other committees within the Unite Structure.

The reason anyone elects persons to any body that affects their life is that those elected people can carry out decisions for those they have been elected to represent.

However, within Unite the Minutes of the National Executive are circulated to all its Reginal and District Committees for those members to examine and pass resolutions, motions or just comment on at their meetings.

Good democratic practise top to bottom. What a pity that Kier Starmer has not learned and put such into effect since he became Labour leader.

You still haven't answered my questions!

Were ordinary members aware of the payments to Skwawkbox, McCluskey or Lavery? Were they given an oppportunity to voice their opinions in a ballot?

If not, why should they have any say about money which has been given to the Labour Party? This smacks of gross hypocrisy.

As for union donations being behind election spending, how do you know that Labour Party funds were ring-fenced?

growstuff I have comprehensively answered your above posts. If you find difficulty in understanding the principles of elected representation can I suggest that you look up the structures of the many organisations that function under such principles?

In regard to the Unite Unions political Levy subscriptions by members, that funding is ring-fenced for exclusive political use as agreed and balloted on by the Unite Union Annual Delegate Conference.

Simple as that.

Looking at Grany's original post the legal fund for JC which wanted to raise £20000 now stands at over £300,000. Carol Morgan who started the fund is also promoting a new organisation called Truth Defence www.truthdefence.org/blank. It is concerned about legal actions undertaken for political reasons. It says We are equally concerned by cases where civil litigation procedures and the principles of natural justice are apparently undermined for politically motivated purposes
So perhaps there is hope that some sort of justice can be found, because Starmer paying out all that money really has nothing to do with justice or truth.
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Grandad1943

growstuff I have comprehensively answered your above posts. If you find difficulty in understanding the principles of elected representation can I suggest that you look up the structures of the many organisations that function under such principles?

In regard to the Unite Unions political Levy subscriptions by members, that funding is ring-fenced for exclusive political use as agreed and balloted on by the Unite Union Annual Delegate Conference.

Simple as that.

No, you have not answered my questions, which required simple yes/no answers. Once again, you have been patronising. I have understood what you have written, but I do wonder if you have the capacity to understand simple questions.