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Is morality something you expect of others?

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Ellianne Sun 09-Aug-20 10:43:50

I think by saying "WE have a moral duty" he is adding weight to the decision made by a small group of people.
It is so difficult to separate the political life from one's personal life when you're in a goldfish bowl.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 09-Aug-20 10:43:29

He is correct in as much as we know enough to reopen schools to all pupils safely, we have a moral duty to do so

Our Children and Grandchildren need to be in school for their educational and emotional needs and it is beyond doubt that all in education/ early years should work together to ensure that schools open as normal in September.

quizqueen Sun 09-Aug-20 10:39:43

Schools and workplaces should never have closed in the first place. What should have happened was a total ban on anyone new entering the county for several months and those returning home put in quarantine.

Galaxy Sun 09-Aug-20 10:34:18

I want even thinking of his private life I was thinking of his morals in public life.

Callistemon Sun 09-Aug-20 10:33:30

I can see the difference between having a moral duty towards a section of society by someone in charge of those duties eg the education of children and the sexual morals of the person.

It's a matter of semantics.
Two separate meanings.

MaizieD Sun 09-Aug-20 10:32:37

I do wonder what BJ tells his children.

That is so funny (ha ha), trisher when you are thinking about Borisovich and morals. He doesn't even know how many children he has...

Being the supposed 'leader' of the UK doesn't endow him with any right to make moral judgements. He is a deeply immoral individual; most people know that and treat his pronouncements with the contempt they deserve.

(If only his recognition of 'moral duty' extended to the rest of his governance)

lemongrove Sun 09-Aug-20 10:31:30

trisher

lemon I think we know who he means. The question is can you expect others to behave in a moral way if you don't yourself?

From your OP it reads that you think it was BJ personally and not the government or the rest of UK society.
My answer is yes, if you are the head of the government you have to make announcements/pronouncements on what society should be doing.What else are you there for?
You have to separate the political life from the personal life.

Pantglas2 Sun 09-Aug-20 10:26:03

So we’re back to ‘Let him who is without sin cast the first stone’ aren’t we? So it ain’t gonna be me!

Nortsat Sun 09-Aug-20 10:23:28

Well he certainly can’t claim the moral high ground ...
As PM he can call for us to behave in a moral way. However, he personally sets a terrible example.

I agree MissA that he, Cummings and the rest of them appear to set ‘don’t do as I do, do as I say’ .... as their example. The rules of behaviour they expect from ordinary people, seem anathema to them (hypocrites).

trisher Sun 09-Aug-20 10:23:13

lemon I think we know who he means. The question is can you expect others to behave in a moral way if you don't yourself?

lemongrove Sun 09-Aug-20 10:21:00

I think you are on the right track gillybob
When a PM says ‘we’ he means the government and all of us.
Putting children, their education, health and mental health first is paramount.
I never expect a PM to have the high personal morals of the Archbishop of Canterbury in any case.

trisher Sun 09-Aug-20 10:20:45

That's interesting gillybob and I agree we do warn our children about things we did when we were young. I do hope when we do it that we are warning about the lessons we learned and not just preaching at them. I do wonder what BJ tells his children.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 09-Aug-20 10:12:51

Galaxy

I would no more take moral guidance from Johnson than I would fly to the moon naked.

??

Galaxy Sun 09-Aug-20 10:11:00

I would no more take moral guidance from Johnson than I would fly to the moon naked.

MissAdventure Sun 09-Aug-20 10:09:28

Don't do as I do, do as I say?

gillybob Sun 09-Aug-20 10:07:37

I’m not sure trisher but I do understand what you are saying.

I think being the PM he has to take a moral overview despite his own private misgivings . A bit like telling a child off for something you did yourself when you were young or being against divorce when you are divorced? I’m not explaining myself very well .

trisher Sun 09-Aug-20 10:04:15

The PM has said ""But now that we know enough to reopen schools to all pupils safely, we have a moral duty to do so."
Given his very unsavoury history does he have the right to call on others to behave in a "moral' way? I was always taught that morality should begin with yourself and then you should expect others to behave with morals. So can you expect morals from others if you don't have any personally?