A group has been created with the aim of removing the government

Surely education should be the means to end discrimination?

As others have mentioned above legislation is enacted after social pressure and not before. This includes universal suffrage and the end to capital punishment although if the latter were to be re-introduced I'm sure that would be popular. Luckily govts are able to withstand popular pressure in that instance.

When I lived Brixton I was always amazed at how the children mixed. I'd see it on the buses and tube all the time. As they got older this changed and I always thought it was due to parental pressure. We lived just off Railton Road which was the seat of much rioting and destruction of property. We had Guyanese neighbours with whom we were on cordial relations, particularly the children who used to spend hours hanging over the fence if I was out in my garden. The day after the riots the father's demeanor towards us was markedly different. He was trying to find out our reactions without actually asking us. We explained that we thought policing in Brixton was the problem and he gradually relaxed towards us.

Other posters have also mentioned the soaps and the inclusion of social problems in their story lines. (The Archers were forgotten and I think that they were the first). I've noticed over recent years that many advertisements feature mixed family groups - colour and ages and I think it's a good thing, it's becoming the norm.

He forgot to tell you that 6 million people would not agree with you.

You can spot the pattern. Endless repeating of the same point, rudeness to posters, complete inventing of what people have said and finally when all else fails loads of an emojis and the office.
Thankyou whitewave.

Whitewavemark2, in regard to your post @07:49 today, I should stick to your criticisms of this government and the left wing of the Labour Movement as you seem to do best in that. ???

Anyway I have an earlier start in the office today, so see you all later. ??

Grandad1943

Lucca

Galaxy said how much porn is affecting “people”

Yes, I understood that. However, pornography can affect peoples attitudes in both genders.

Galaxy appears to be linking possible detrimental effects of viewing porn to men in bringing about rape.

Whether Galaxy is advising that men should not watch porn because of its possible detrimental effect on their attitudes to women and sex, while it is perfectly alright for women to watch porn as it could not possibly affect their attitudes to men and sex.

That it would seem is unclear in the Galaxy post.

Blimey! ??

galaxy I bet that is news to you!

Lucca

Galaxy said how much porn is affecting “people”

Yes, I understood that. However, pornography can affect peoples attitudes in both genders.

Galaxy appears to be linking possible detrimental effects of viewing porn to men in bringing about rape.

Whether Galaxy is advising that men should not watch porn because of its possible detrimental effect on their attitudes to women and sex, while it is perfectly alright for women to watch porn as it could not possibly affect their attitudes to men and sex.

That it would seem is unclear in the Galaxy post.

Galaxy said how much porn is affecting “people”

Galaxy

Legislation has utterly failed women in terms of rape for example, there are endless solutions that I think would help, education on consent from an early age, education for jurors and society at large about rape myths, a serious look at the way porn is affecting people, etc etc.

Oh, I jurors should be educated, or to put that another way, they should be instructed as to what they must think.

Also, in case no one has informed you Galaxy, porn is viewed as much by women in these times as is by men, as several threads in regard to the subject on this forum have so well demonstrated.

Legislation has utterly failed women in terms of rape for example, there are endless solutions that I think would help, education on consent from an early age, education for jurors and society at large about rape myths, a serious look at the way porn is affecting people, etc etc.

Galaxy

A civilised society where two women a week are killed by their male partners. A civilised society where 1 in 5 women have experienced sexual assault, a civilised society where the majority of women have experienced sexual harassment, a civilised society where in the view of the victims commissioner rape has been decriminalised. It's going well for women this civilised society.

And what is your answer to all the above then Galaxy if not by way of legislation.???????

I am still waiting for that reply.

A civilised society where two women a week are killed by their male partners. A civilised society where 1 in 5 women have experienced sexual assault, a civilised society where the majority of women have experienced sexual harassment, a civilised society where in the view of the victims commissioner rape has been decriminalised. It's going well for women this civilised society.

SueDonim in regard to your post @ 22:40 today, I have always acknowledged that Women are equal to men and should be treated in regard as such.

However, not all men are the same in their views and attitudes just as women are not all the same in the views and attitudes they hold.

The above is the reason our society has a legal framework that ensures it remains as a civilised society, and that framework is there for all to use irrespective of gender and the problems they face.

Galaxy

It's not just growstuff trying to explain this though is it? For example if there was a thread about the pros and cons of a royal family, and I continually posted a definition of the royal family, and listed its members, it wouldn't actually move the debate forward. That's what this is like.

Well if someone put forward a reasonable counter argument as to why the definition of the royal family was inaccurate perhaps a reasonable debate could be then brought about. ?

I will say again however, I am still waiting to hear from anyone how the problems of women and others subjected to discrimination in all forms and in various situations can be resolved without them implementing the equality legislation or such statutes as the Employment Rights Act.

When it comes to discrimination against women, how about all men simply acknowledging that women are their equal and deserve equal treatment? Then there’d be no need to resort to law and the world would be a better place.

Galaxy

You mean same sex not gender. The fact that same sex intercourse was made legal did not change the discrimination faced by gay people. It meant they wouldn't get arrested for having sex which is always a bonus. You may wish to talk to people in the gay community about what helped alter discrimination against them, they would cite many aspects of popular culture including those programmes, but I am sure you would tell them they were wrong in their views.

Galaxy the programs that your site can be good in gaining acceptance of legislation after it has been enacted. However, such programs could never fight for the enabling of such legislation for such acted roles would have been illegal in itself prior to such legislation coming about.

As I recall there were many news discussion programs and documentaries in regard to homosexuality as it was addressed as prior to the legislation on such being enacted.

I will say again however, I am still waiting to hear from anyone how the problems of women and others subjected to discrimination in all forms and in various situations can be resolved without them implementing the equality legislation or such statutes as the Employment Rights Act.

It seems I wait in vain??????

It's not just growstuff trying to explain this though is it? For example if there was a thread about the pros and cons of a royal family, and I continually posted a definition of the royal family, and listed its members, it wouldn't actually move the debate forward. That's what this is like.

It's not just growstuff trying to expla

growstuff

You're going to have a long wait Grandad. There is no such thing has having a "discussion" with you.

Well growstuff if you had some reasonable arguments to put forward rather than just continually making personal comments in regard to other forum members perhaps there would be a debate to be had.

It's like having a discussion with a computer algorithm with the same pre-programmed responses produced.

You're going to have a long wait Grandad. There is no such thing has having a "discussion" with you.

In addition to my above post, the Employment Rights Act states that as long as an employee or a person representing the employee launches an appeal against any dismissal or safety breach by their employer within three months of the incident or action taking place, the hearing(s) must be held over until the person is medically fit to attend any hearings called in regard to the incident or dismissal.

Therefore any employee injured in a workplace accident can take action against their employer in regard to the injuries sustained and then have the hearings called to investigate the incident suspended until such a time as the employee is medically fit to attend.

The same would apply should any woman be unable to attend a dismissal appeal hearing due to childbirth.

You mean same sex not gender. The fact that same sex intercourse was made legal did not change the discrimination faced by gay people. It meant they wouldn't get arrested for having sex which is always a bonus. You may wish to talk to people in the gay community about what helped alter discrimination against them, they would cite many aspects of popular culture including those programmes, but I am sure you would tell them they were wrong in their views.

trisher

Grandad1943 Perhaps your faith in legislation will be tested when you read about what is actually happening in the work place. We imagined when we obtained the right for women to take maternity leave they would be protected. Actually things are now getting worse. Women are losing their jobs in the late stages of pregnancy or just after they have given birth, they then have 3 months to appeal, not surprisingly most don't. There is a campaign to extend the period to 6 months. pregnantthenscrewed.com/extending-the-3-month-time-limit/
Try reading some of the stories of how women are being discriminated against and then consider how legislation is protecting them.

Well, it is for those women to use the legislation provided to contest the actions of their employers by way of the bodies I outlined earlier in this thread.

I am still waiting for you growstuff or others to inform me how else the problems of those women and others subjected to discrimination in all forms and in various situations can be resolved without them implementing the equality legislation.

Grandad1943 Perhaps your faith in legislation will be tested when you read about what is actually happening in the work place. We imagined when we obtained the right for women to take maternity leave they would be protected. Actually things are now getting worse. Women are losing their jobs in the late stages of pregnancy or just after they have given birth, they then have 3 months to appeal, not surprisingly most don't. There is a campaign to extend the period to 6 months. pregnantthenscrewed.com/extending-the-3-month-time-limit/
Try reading some of the stories of how women are being discriminated against and then consider how legislation is protecting them.

Galaxy

For example as ridiculous as it may seem eastenders and brookside did more to move forward the issue of gay rights in terms of public attitudes than individuals use of the equality act.

Galaxy the issue of gay rights was being addressed in legislation several years before the Equality act came into being.

As for Eastenders and Brookside having any influence on public opinion I very much doubt that.

However, even if those programs did it still took legislation to bring about the legalisation of same gender sex.