A group has been created with the aim of removing the government

How on earth did someone who has clearly stated that he wants to close down the institutions of the country end up in charge of them?
What leverage does he have over those who appointed him to his position of power, or who don't seem to have objected to the appointment?
There is a lot of murky fog surrounding him which cannot be seen through.

I think one of the reasons for the lack of competence is that Cummings as a result of having an inflated sense of his ability, has taken control of so much in government.
Ministers seem to have little autonomy and appear to carry out their work through Cummings.

He arrived knowing that he wanted to destroy various and great institutions that have stood Great Britain in such good stead for decades, but doesn’t seem to have an intelligent plan as to what they will be replaced with.

This incompetence will continue until Cummings and his cohorts are removed.

Anniebach

Agree grandad43

I want to add, POGS never makes personal attacks and is never rude .

I could not agree more Anniebach POGS is always very rational in discussions and never resorts to personal attack.

More like her and him(s) are badly required on the forum at the present time.

Firecracker123

Just wishful thinking by some to think that the Conservatives are going to get rid of Boris Johnson, it was because of Boris that they won a stomping 80 majority ?

That was before it became apparent as to how useless he is.

The Tories chose him over Hunt because they thought he was a laugh and promised an oven ready deal over brexit.

But they shortsightedly did not give any consideration as to how he would deal with a crises. ( although his past behaviour should have given them some clues)

The Tories have plunged in the polls from a 25% lead to just a 2% lead in 3 months and Tories are getting very twitchy.

Even that bastion of Toryism the Daily Mail had headlines this week caricaturing the PM as part of Laurel and Hardy, and has been very critical.

Forgive me but I happen to think this is particularly personal
From POGS
Your idea of a settled peaceful community is like the ANTIFA/Black Lives, Matter protests/riots that have been ongoing for 80 days in Portland is it?
Your idea of a peaceful community is one where ANTIFA/Black Lives Matter come in to demand you give them your home is it?
Your idea of a peaceful community is established by the law makers enticing the law breaker and the defunding of the police is it?
What had I said? simply used another report about what was happening in Seattle- Rolling Stone instead of Fox News which said the riots experienced in the area had stopped and that I would prefer that.
It seems POGS is permitted to be as personal as they like (I'm using they because I don't know POGS gender). I also tried to explain ANTIFA and its origins and asked if POGS would rather see the rise of fascism-but no reply.

Just wishful thinking by some to think that the Conservatives are going to get rid of Boris Johnson, it was because of Boris that they won a stomping 80 majority ?

I have been reading that Tories will accept all kinds of weird behaviour, which is odd given how judgemental they tend to be, but what they won’t accept is incompetence.

Back benchers and senior Tories are getting very twitchy at the incompetence over the past 9 months. It won’t be long before Johnson is on notice if he doesn’t get his act together.

If he fails in this regard, there will be challenges to his leadership.

What a pity that Tories went for buffoonery over competence and chose the clown instead of the manager (Hunt)

This is not how democracy works.

Agreed, Grandad
And Anniebach.

As for flouncing - what a silly word and should not be used except jokingly.
Who knows why someone may need a temporary break from GN?

Agree grandad43

I want to add, POGS never makes personal attacks and is never rude .

tickingbird

So not content with trying to reverse the Brexit vote they’re now trying to overthrow the democratically elected government?!

Dream on....

tickingbird, the OP launched what could have been an interesting discussion, but it has digressed into fantasy thinking by a few forum members and one other who seems to determined to do nothing else but throw personal insults at all others.

In reality, the only way this government can be removed would be through a vote of no confidence in the House of Commons, and that will certainly not come about at any time in the near future.

Any "coup" would require thousands of the armed forces personal to be complicit in such and they swear loyalty to the Queen and not any political body.

It is all a pie in the sky discussion by dreamers. ?

So not content with trying to reverse the Brexit vote they’re now trying to overthrow the democratically elected government?!

Dream on....

growstuff

I do not flounce off!

I will however not rise to your bait, certainly not at this time of the day.

We will have to agree to disagree as your posts are obviously only interested in making personal comments once again and that makes debate impossible.

Do show which posts by POGS have been ‘that rude’ to you
growstuff because there isn’t a single one!

You're normally quite sensible, growstuff and can argue rationally.

What's happened?

and the troops arrive to defend their comrade! How amusing!
Now you're getting silly.

... and the troops arrive to defend their comrade! How amusing!

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POGS always manages to be polite growstuff....which is more than can be said for you.
I would say that ‘acerbic’ fits the bill for just about all your replies to POGS.
Stop being personal and try and realise that other posters don’t always know less than you do.

so has flounced off after her latest attempt to be rude

You're just being personal now, growstuff.
And that is totally uncalled for.

her could be a him ?
Don't assume.

Have you ever thought of being just a tad more polite?

I have never known POGS be anything less than polite even if I may not always agree with what she or he says.
Another poster who almost always disagrees with POGS has said the same.

The desire to change the government must come from the general population and result in a general election. I do not have that much faith in general elections because their outcome is so often dictated by newspapers, the majority of which urge people to vote Conservative. However, though an imperfect system in that respect and in respect of how votes are represented, it is the best thing we have at the moment.

As to the comment "I thought the only way to remove a government was a general election, silly me"

I think there are numerous examples where democratically elected governments have been removed by one means or another, to the detriment of the general population and without majority consent.

It would appear POGS can't back up her assertion that Antifa was responsible for the deaths of any "poor souls", so has flounced off after her latest attempt to be rude.

The only other person who seems to have raving delusions about Antifa is Trump.

trisher

POGS if you are not able to understand that ANTIFA is not an organisation but a linked series of people and organisations and that amongst those are some individuals who choose to use violence it is no use discussing anything with you. Perhaps you could look at it another way, do you believe that there is an organised white suprematist movement which is deliberately orchestrating and organising against non-white people? And do you believe it is wong to demonstrate against those ideas?
You do realise that the ANTIFA movement is based on the belief that had enough people demonstrated against the Nazis in the 1930s Hitler would never have come to power and WW2 would not have happened.
Would you rather allow fascism to prosper?

There are always any number of groups in a country who has some members who are willing to commit violent acts in pursuit of their cause.

In the USA these include, white supremacists, white separatists, American freedom party, American Nazi party amongst many others on the far right.
You then have animal rights activists, environmental rights, black separatists, etc on the left, and Antifa members who fight against the fascistic ideology purported by the far right in USA, some of which are listed above.

With populism operating in the USA and causing division as populists do, there will be a volatile atmosphere caused by these division, with violence being much more likely.

It is inevitable.

growstuff 17.15pm. I think your second guess is probably the most accurate. He knows where the bodies are.

POGS if you are not able to understand that ANTIFA is not an organisation but a linked series of people and organisations and that amongst those are some individuals who choose to use violence it is no use discussing anything with you. Perhaps you could look at it another way, do you believe that there is an organised white suprematist movement which is deliberately orchestrating and organising against non-white people? And do you believe it is wong to demonstrate against those ideas?
You do realise that the ANTIFA movement is based on the belief that had enough people demonstrated against the Nazis in the 1930s Hitler would never have come to power and WW2 would not have happened.
Would you rather allow fascism to prosper?