A group has been created with the aim of removing the government

growstuff

You wouldn't believe them so I think I would be wasting my time.

As for your other comment I will not rise to your bait.

I see you're still being your acerbic self.

Have you ever thought of being just a tad more polite?

I didn't miss the reporting of deaths. I missed the connection to Antifa. Do you have any links?

Quotegrowstuff Sat 22-Aug-20 15:39:31

'Which poor souls? Sorry, I missed it.'
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If ' you missed it' that does not surprise me as there seems to be a lot of people who have 'missed it'. A lot deny what is happening or claim conspiracy theories when they ' know about it'.

Retired Police Officer David Dorn shot and killed during riots and looting in St Louis.

edition.cnn.com/2020/06/08/us/st-louis-man-arrested-shooting-retired-police-officer-david-dorn/index.html
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youtu.be/AEncQKV8k_0

Richmond Police Chief Will Smith recounted how protesters "intentionally set a fire to an occupied building on Broad Street,"

"This is not the only occupied building that has been set fire to over the last two days. But they prohibited us from getting on scene.

“We had to force our way to make a clear path for the fire department. Protestors intercepted that fire apparatus several blocks away with vehicles and blocked that fire department’s access to the structure fire. Inside that home was a child.”

The child was able to be saved, Smith said as he appeared to hold back tears."

Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney condemned those who acted with violence.

“Peaceful protests in solidarity against the injustices of black men hijacked by bad actors. As soon as you loot a store or set a public bus on fire, you're not demonstrating. You've made it about you," Stoney stated.

"When you block law enforcement from allowing fire services to get to a home that has caught on fire. You are not inspiring change.

"When you knock out windows of businesses that had nothing to do with this, you are not inspiring change. That's an insult to the cause.”
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www.newsweek.com/atlanta-shooting-secoriea-turner-rayshard-brooks-1515562

Secoriea Turner's Parents Attack Those Who Shot 8-Year-Old Girl in Atlanta

She was only 8 years old. She would have been on Tik Tok dancing on her phone, just got done eating.

"We understand the frustration of Rayshard Brooks. We didn't have anything to do with that. We're innocent. My baby didn't mean no harm."

"Somebody knows something," Turner added before handing the microphone to the girl's father, Secoriya Williamson.

They say black lives matter," Williamson said. "You killed your own. You killed your own this time. Just because of a barrier. They killed my baby because she crossed a barrier and made a U-turn.

"You killed a child. She didn't do nothing to nobody...she just wanted to get home to see her cousin."

Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms spoke out against those who shot at Secoriea Turner and her family.

"You shot and killed a baby," the mayor said. "And there wasn't just one shooter, there were at least two shooters. An 8-year-old girl was killed last night because her mother was riding down the street. If Secoriea was not safe last night, none of us are safe."
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I could carry on with plenty more records of death /violence/intimidation/ destruction but to say you 'missed it' sums up a lot of the problem which in turn causes people to deny facts.

He is even stupider and more incompetent than his boss?

biba70

Meanwhile, back in the Tory party- there is one reason, and one reason alone, why Gavin Williamson has not been sacked. I suppose it is obvious.

Hmm ...

Need for a scapegoat if opening schools to all goes wrong?

As a former Tory whip, he has "dirt" in his little notebook?

Sacking him wouldn't make other cabinet ministers look good in comparison?

Meanwhile, back in the Tory party- there is one reason, and one reason alone, why Gavin Williamson has not been sacked. I suppose it is obvious.

The Telegraph had an article debunking anti-Soros propaganda too, but it's behind a paywall.

Nothing at all Maizie.

Avalon suggested I read a range of sources. It's not often the Sun, Daily Mail and Guardian are on the same side .

The only people who believe Soros conspiracy theories are right-wing and not that well-informed. It always amazes me that people can swallow this kind of stuff.

I wonder what was wrong with the Soros link I originally posted? .

Thanks for those, growstuff

25Avalon

Growstuff I am not the one obsessed. Itnot all a conspiracy story as you might like to think. Have you actually read any of the links I put out or do you just stick to lefty articles? If you read more widely it might give you a different perspective. This is the man who broke the Bank of England and made a fortune out of it.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/11920790/conspiracy-theories-george-soros-pays-protesters-owns-antifa-george-floyd-protests/
(It’s not often I link to the Sun. Sorry, Liverpool.)

www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-49584157

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/why-the-conspiracy-theories-about-george-soros-dont-stack-up

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/geore-soros-brexit-antisemitism-jew-conspiracy-theories-telegraph-story-plot-hungary-broke-bank-of-a8201651.html

www.timesofisrael.com/rising-conspiracy-theory-claims-george-soros-behind-us-unrest-adl-says/

theconversation.com/how-donald-trump-will-try-to-scapegoat-george-soros-to-win-re-election-140146

www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/apr/26/facebook-posts/no-george-soros-never-said-he-made-it-his-lifes-mi/

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8445097/Bizarre-conspiracy-theories-George-Soros-fueling-unrest-owning-Antifa-soar-online.html

www.theweek.co.uk/94509/why-is-george-soros-tied-to-so-many-conspiracy-theories

www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/episode-414-george-soros-as-the-bogeyman-bohemian-rhapsody-losing-wildlife-salt-fat-acid-heat-and-more-1.4889039/how-conspiracy-theories-and-anti-semitism-turned-george-soros-into-a-bogeyman-for-the-american-right-1.4889040

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/george-soros-conspiracy-theories-surge-as-protests-sweep-us/articleshow/76505961.cms

www.theguardian.com/business/2018/feb/08/george-soros-demonised-by-populists-nationalists-and-right-wing-press

25Avalon

Growstuff I am not the one obsessed. Itnot all a conspiracy story as you might like to think. Have you actually read any of the links I put out or do you just stick to lefty articles? If you read more widely it might give you a different perspective. This is the man who broke the Bank of England and made a fortune out of it.

Yes, I do sometimes read your links.

And please don't label me as a "leftie" because it seems a tad lazy.

I suspect I read more widely than you. Soros didn't "break the Bank of England". Only somebody who is brainwashed could believe that.

Which poor souls? Sorry, I missed it.

Do you honestly think that being against fascism is a bad thing?

Quotegrowstuff Sat 22-Aug-20 12:29:29
And POGS Antifa isn't behind everything either. Only Trump (and you apparently) thinks so.
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Yep, only me and Trump. Nailed it in one growstuff.

Of course those poor souls killed, beaten up in the riots think it's all a jolly. Then there are the hypocrites who call for the police to be defunded but who do they turn to when it's on their doorstep to protect them and call, yep the police.

Growstuff I am not the one obsessed. Itnot all a conspiracy story as you might like to think. Have you actually read any of the links I put out or do you just stick to lefty articles? If you read more widely it might give you a different perspective. This is the man who broke the Bank of England and made a fortune out of it.

Quotetrisher Sat 22-Aug-20 11:37:29

'POGS You've been watching too much Fox News. Try reading this. www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/chop-chaz-seattle-autonomous-zone-inside-protests-1017637/

If I lived in the area I think I would be happier to have a settled peaceful community around me rather than one where daily protests about the police and racial attacks were taking place. America has a long history of occupying spaces to achieve change.'
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So your idea of peaceful community is the ANTIFA /Black Lives Matter attempt to set up the the CHAZ/CHOP area in Seattle is it? Do you even know what happened there?

Your idea of a settled peaceful community is like the ANTIFA/Black Lives, Matter protests/riots that have been ongoing for 80 days in Portland is it?

Your idea of a peaceful community is one where ANTIFA/Black Lives Matter come in to demand you give them your home is it?

Your idea of a peaceful community is established by the law makers enticing the law breaker and the defunding of the police is it?

That is what is happening in many states, it is anarchy.

As for the Fox News jibe intended as an insult yes I watch it and CNN and others and then I make it my responsibility to follow the story to assess the truth. I can honestly say the whole thing scares the bejezus out of me when I watch what is happening in the US I am accutely aware that things are brewing for us here in the UK if we put our head in the sand.

I worry just as much as to why some media outlets are NOT saying/reporting the truth. I watched an anchor man, can't remember from which station, possibly MSBC stood in front of a riot taking place and in front of a burning building declaring the protest was peaceful, couldn't make it up.

There is often used the quotation ' First they came for' words but the end ' Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me' is what is happening in the US and perversely it is those who claim to be against violence/racial hatred are doing exactly what they proport to be against, it is a sham, a lie and cause more harm than good to those who do not want to be politically associated with both orgainisations/groups but agree with 'some' of their ideas and principles.

With respect to the opening poster but I believe that thoughts of a change of government at any time in the near future are wishful thinking. However, should the Covid -19 crisis produce the widespread unemployment some are predicting and that was further aggravated by a no deal outcome to the leave negotiations, then it is possible to perceive a no-confidence vote being passed in the House of Commons in such awful circumstances.

However, if one Conservative government is not to replace another in the above situation it is in reality only the Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP) that would have any chance of forming "a government of national unity" within the present elected parliament or a General Election would have to be held in an atmosphere, possibly, of great crisis. A General Election held in such an atmosphere would only benefit the extremes of left and right and therefore, I feel, would have to be avoided if at all possible.

The forgoing will mean that the Labour Party and the wider Labour movement must somehow overcome their present disagreements and once more reaffirm that one hundred years mutual support of each other. In the last few days, there would seem to be substantial movement to bring that about. In that, both Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell have spoken up in support of the continuation of the affiliation between the trade unions and the PLP.

The frontrunner to replace Len McCluskey as General Secretary of the Unite Union, Steve Turner, has stated that he wishes to maintain the affiliation, if at all possible, between Unite and the PLP which is crucial being that Unite are the Labour Parties largest financial donor.

Kier Starmer is now scheduled to address the TUC annual delegate conference in September. However, what Starmer states in that address may well turn out to be the most important words of his political career.

In all the foregoing, only action within the present Parliament can remove the existing government, and in that only if a majority in the House of Commons felt that action was absolutely necessary. It would then take Kier Starmer Leading a united PLP to work to form a government of national unity. A Labour Party divided within itself and financially insolvent would not suffice in carrying that out.

It also has to be considered who from within the Conservative party in the House of Commons would in such circumstances come forward to join Starmer and others in leading such a government???

And who would be Prime Minister????

Illte

Thank you Dinahmo.

Would he not just call an election to try to get the majority back or dies he have to take that route?

He would have to have something to offer those MPs who had given up the whip. But what could he offer? Apparently many of the the Tory intake, especially in the "red wall" constituencies are local people. If their constituents are in favour of them resigning the whip then they run the risk of being de-selected.

If he didn't have a majority in parliament then he probably wouldn't be able to call an election.

It is a complicated subject.

And POGS Antifa isn't behind everything either. Only Trump (and you apparently) thinks so.

Exactly Jabberwok.??

Living on credit cards has become a problem for many younger people, they seem to have a lot of material things (and they do) but it’s the old ‘live now, pay later’ thing, and when the time comes that they can’t pay, and they have no savings, then the proverbial hits the fan.

25Avalon What's with your obsession with Soros? You really should give up reading conspiracy theories.

Tbh I can't understand anyone going abroad for their holiday this year when things are so unpredictable. As for not having any crisis money! More fool them even in normal times, but especially now! Quarantine has been on the cards all summer,so If you must go surely you should bear that in mind, and if it would prove a problem, then don't go!!!

POGS You've been watching too much Fox News. Try reading this. www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/chop-chaz-seattle-autonomous-zone-inside-protests-1017637/
If I lived in the area I think I would be happier to have a settled peaceful community around me rather than one where daily protests about the police and racial attacks were taking place. America has a long history of occupying spaces to achieve change.

Can't argue with their basic aims - get rid of current government, have a coalition and institute PR voting.

But their method is not going to work.

trisher

ANTIFA riots and protests can be the most violent, most destructive, they are not a happy clappy bunch of activists who protest peacefully as those who refuse to accept any other version declare.

Now the ' white supremacy' tag means ALL white people. White people are privileged and therefore must pay the price.

Do you follow American politics? Do you watch the factual evidence of the destruction of cities such as Seattle?

What do you think about the CHAZ/CHOP experiment!