Could you imagine Mrs Thatcher breaking the law?

Does Russia?
Do all other countries in the world, including all EU countries
Always stick rigidly to International Law?I think not.
Posters who usually denigrate anything that the UK does, now hold us up ( as another poster says) as a shining beacon of light.Forgive my wry smile.

Jaberwok's post made sense to me.

I admire Margaret Thatcher for her many personal qualities. She was a great leader, even though I profoundly disagreed with the direction she led us in. Johnson does not even come close.

Jane10

Do other countries always stick to international law? Just asking.

China doesn’t. I suppose we can identify with them. We are certainly in no position to criticise if we go ahead as planned

Many British fishermen sold their quotas to foreign buyers along with their boats, something which other EU countries did not allow.

The interests of the UK fishing industry evidently did not matter one iota to the utterly useless UK member of the EU Fishing Committee, one Nigel Farage, who only bothered to attend one meeting out of 42.

Shoplift that should say.

Some people shoplifting. Doesnt mean I should do it

Do other countries always stick to international law? Just asking.

Only if we don't get a trade deal, which, unless we give way over fishing and other key issues that all other sovereign countries run themselves, we obviously won't! If the EU could treat us like any other sovereign nation ie Canada, then we would have no need to even contemplate breaking any law! Do Norway allow unrestricted fishing in their own waters? No, of course they don't! They have a quota system run by them , reviewed I think each year! We would like a similar arrangement, but apparently that is not possible!! err why?! So how best to force us, well, threaten trade between us and NI! Oh no you don't! State aid decided by the EU?! I don't think so. Our laws governed by the ECJ?again, I don't think so! Give into all these demands? If We do then we might as well have stayed shackled to these cowboys and had done with it!

So irritated my spelling and grammar have gone awry.

You know all these people who wanted to take back control, Great Britain blah de blah, what exactly was it that they thought Great Britain stood for, cause for me the rule of law was a fucking cornerstone. When we teach british values the rule of law is key, are we to change this?

Jaberwok

Perhaps if the EU could treat the UK like any other sovereign country that it has conducted trade talks with instead of constantly demanding, insisting, threatening if we don't obey them in all things, we might just feel that we don't need to make provision if and when these talks fail. Whoever heard of trade talks that include fishing!! Don't think Canada or Japan would agree to that still less America or Australia! We're not in the EU now and we don't have to be pushed about by these bullies anymore more than any other country. What is there not to understand?!

And breaking the rule of law?

Perhaps if the EU could treat the UK like any other sovereign country that it has conducted trade talks with instead of constantly demanding, insisting, threatening if we don't obey them in all things, we might just feel that we don't need to make provision if and when these talks fail. Whoever heard of trade talks that include fishing!! Don't think Canada or Japan would agree to that still less America or Australia! We're not in the EU now and we don't have to be pushed about by these bullies anymore more than any other country. What is there not to understand?!

We are not talking about Churchill, though. We are talking about the Rule of Law. One of the pillars of our constitution and the element that guarantees everyone's freedoms.
Thatcher supported the rule of law (of course she did, it would be foolish not to) and that included the compliance with international law.

Yesterday a government minister stated in Parliament that the government was proposing to break international law.
Unless the government is prevented from doing this it opens the door for every citizen of the UK to break the law and claim government precedent for their action. If unchecked it also allows unlawful government action against any UK citizen. The stuff of dictatorships and the death of democracy.

Whining about Churchill is completely irrelevant to this.

Supporting the destruction of the rule of law is contemptible..

paddyanne bits of England hated Churchill as well. He was booed by the dockers when he visited Hull. My GF always referred to him as "that turncoat" because he changed political parties.

On FGS A British Government! Churchill, turn in his grave?? What that old Imperialist? He'd have sold his granny to keep hold of India!! All this faux indignation! All governments are dishonest when it suits them, all politicians the world over have an eye to the main chance and Britain is no different! All this pretending to be a shining beacon of honesty is just baloney and laughable! Remember T B and Iraq? Nothing very honest about any of that in or out of Parliament!

Margaret Thatcher was a great believer in the single market.

So are you saying we don’t stand up for British decent principles because Boris should not be criticised?

I think she would have handbagged remonstrated with anyone she saw breaking the rules. ?
We would have had no doubt what the rules were, either!

Robert Peston, writes in The Spectator-

"The question for Boris Johnson is why he signed a Withdrawal Agreement that gives the EU the power to decide whether British agricultural products are fit for export to Northern Ireland. There was no secret that this is in the Withdrawal Agreement. It is there in black and white. Critics of the deal cited it from the start. It is why more sanitary and phytosanitary checks will be required on livestock and agrifoods going from Great Britain to Northern Ireland.

So why would Boris Johnson sign a deal knowing from the outset that its terms were such that in plausible circumstances they might lead him to breach international law? Or was he was unusual in simply not knowing?

As for the EU’s take, an official says: 'We still need to list the UK as a country that can export agriculture stuff. It would help if the UK could explain its future regime on food production standards,hygiene, etc. Somehow the UK says it will be equivalent to EU, but we need details'. Quite."

www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-brexit-question-boris-johnson-must-answer

So getting back to the OP.

I was interested to hear May stand up yesterday criticising Johnson and his plan to break international law.

May continually acted unlawfully as a Home Secretary, and of course she was taken to court over A50, and forced to go back to parliament after trying to flout their sovereignty.

It seems to me that flouting the law is something they will do seeing it as the end justifying the means. Very little has been done to date to stop them.

This is what so many people are seriously worried about and why we should Put huge value on our rights as citizens and the law which backs it up.

This government has only ever served its own interests and will continue to do so as long as it can.

Churchill was a hated man in Scotland ,he brought tanks in adn locked Scottish soldiers in their barracks so they wouldn't support their friends and families .Evil old B .My granny had double the issues with him because of his treatment of Ireland and the Irish .

This is the moment the government lost control of events. It is inconceivable to me that my government - a British government - would so blatantly devalue the concept of a rules-based international order. Churchill must be turning in his grave. MPs from across the house must act.

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E.V, made reference to Churchill!

Any attempts at a trade deal will fail because of fishing, particularly now the conservationists are on board especially Greenpeace. At last, Yippee!