Today's Commons debate

I must like the challenge Jaberwok!

I know I irritate most of the posters on here. I may not be as intelligent as they but I’m sure my small offerings give grist to the mill. Without me (and a minority of others) this would just be another echo chamber!

Jaberwok

Honestly Urm, I'd leave it if I were you. You don't have to join in this drivel, you only get shouted down all the time! lets face it even Grandad seems to have left the fray, probably in disgust at the rudeness he's encountered on here! It's like talking to hysterical ill mannered children and just not worth the effort, and crucifyingly boring!

How childish you sound. Losing an argument so resorting to name calling and throwing your dummy out of the pram.

Jaberwok

Honestly Urm, I'd leave it if I were you. You don't have to join in this drivel, you only get shouted down all the time! lets face it even Grandad seems to have left the fray, probably in disgust at the rudeness he's encountered on here! It's like talking to hysterical ill mannered children and just not worth the effort, and crucifyingly boring!

Jaberwok, just to lighten the tone of the thread debate, I have not left the fray deliberately but as is usual I am working during the day, and just looked into this thread while having a well-deserved cup of coffee at the moment.

As you may well imagine at this period in time to be operating in workplace safety is not the quietest occupation to have and we did not finish work in this office until 9:00pm last evening.

Having said that I feel that life in this office seems to be much more peaceful than being on the News & Politics threads of GN at present. ???

See you later...........hopefully.?

You don't have to read the posts either Jaberwok. I'm sure you have more interesting things to do.

I look forward to mature debate.

Honestly Urm, I'd leave it if I were you. You don't have to join in this drivel, you only get shouted down all the time! lets face it even Grandad seems to have left the fray, probably in disgust at the rudeness he's encountered on here! It's like talking to hysterical ill mannered children and just not worth the effort, and crucifyingly boring!

Democracy is a truly wonderful thing - you’d think the least MF would do is not vote - it’s not as though they need it is there. He and they are just being GFs

Whitewavemark2

Urmstongran

Yes, there is. In this case, as an insurance policy because the EU have definitely not been negotiating in good faith. They will now and we won’t need the insurance.

Why is it an insurance policy?

It isn't. It's something she picked up from the media and repeated verbatim. Critical thinking and analysis are not to her liking.

Furret spot on!

Another dreadful PMQs for Johnson. This time he was mauled by Rayner.

“ I suppose exempting Grouse shooting from rule of 6 is alright for the Prime Minister's friend who paid for his Caribbean Chrismas break, funded his leadership campaign and just happens to own two Grouse moors “

The next time a man drives London to Durham during this crisis it will likely be to get a Covid test” -Boom boom!

Once again Johnson gets it wrong. UK doesnot do more Covid tests than anywhere else in Europe. Denmark does almost twice as many per 1000 people. Plus UK figs include antibody tests, which other cos don’t, & based on when tests sent out, not results

More breaking rules by Tories. Mark Francois - for whatever reason- has not attended parliament since the start of this term.

He has voted 9 times by proxy.

Rules who can use a proxy voter.

Medical reasons

Covid reasons

New mother

New father

Adoptive parent.

The Tories need their asses kicking from here to kingdom come.

Urmstongran

Yes, there is. In this case, as an insurance policy because the EU have definitely not been negotiating in good faith. They will now and we won’t need the insurance.

Why is it an insurance policy?

MaizieD

Whitewavemark2

Yet another law officer has resigned because he can not reconcile what the government is doing to the rule of law.

Is this Keen, Wwmk2?

Yes - apparently he is a proper upstanding old fashioned sort of Tory.

How can anyone condemn the EU as corrupt and yet support Boris and his cronies? Or are only 'foreigners' corrupt?

Agree with your last post Urmstongran

Yes, there is. In this case, as an insurance policy because the EU have definitely not been negotiating in good faith. They will now and we won’t need the insurance.

Whitewavemark2

Yet another law officer has resigned because he can not reconcile what the government is doing to the rule of law.

Is this Keen, Wwmk2?

Nothing decent about anyone who condones the breaking of the rule of law.

I’m decent.
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The Tories are gradually being hollowed out by every decent proper Tory who are resigning because of the governments behaviour.

I have absolutely no doubt that decent Tory supporters are doing exactly the same and turning their backs on this immoral, incompetent political party.

There doesnt seem to be many of these sort of decent supporters on GN

Thanks lemongrove ?
Usually I’m shot down on these threads and exhorted to leave these discussions to the grown ups.

Yet another law officer has resigned because he can not reconcile what the government is doing to the rule of law.

Urmstongran

I understand your point WW and I don’t have the intelligence to solve the conundrum of the Irish question. However I really think (for what it’s worth) my post above could still stand? Time will tell how this will play out. The Irish citizens need huge assurances that this is a (soft) border from the EU for trade reasons only. The lightest of touches really, using today’s technologies. Years have passed, people’s attitudes have softened and changed - they are enjoying their freedoms and technology got a whole lot more impressive in the meantime.

Reassurances would be needed but with goodwill on both sides, benefits are possible without a resurgence of religious terrorism. Most people want a quiet life, enjoying their families and lifestyle choices. If the activists and agitators can be silenced by the repeated good words and intentions of the many politicians, hopefully peace will prevail.

Really excellent post Urmstongran ??

You are only in the majority on the Conservative bashing pages of GN Dinahmo so don’t get too excited.?

And you really think that the EU would have risked a trade war over Hong Kong!!?? They seem very quiet about the persecuted muslims, as does most of the world particularly muslim countries!! Not a murmur about land grabbing in the South China sea, and yet, if we we're still in the EU, they would be fiercely defending Hong Kong on our behalf?!!!! Forgive my cynicism, I don't think so!!!

Trade, Jabberwok. It's trade that makes the world go round. That's where the real action is taken. Trade sanctions from one of the world's biggest markets have influence.

Gunboats are so 19th century..

But, we no longer have gunboats or trade muscle.