Nicola Sturgeon upholding the rules

I'm just pointing out that the sentiment works both ways on here. Pearl clutching and judgieness don't help.

MaizieD There is bait, and there is unacceptable language. However its meant, I feel I have to call it out. When we are an independent country, we will all have to live together. Sue has presumably lived here for a long time and has every right to keep doing so. We won't be adopting a "you lost, get over it attitude".

I've never seen a comment on GN about Scots go home, lemongrove which is why its so important to call out the "English go home" attitude.

And yes, I mean "when", not "if" we are independent.

When did you last read any comment by a poster on GN that says the Scottish should go home, hmm? Never, that’s what.
If posters have commented in the past ( after a Paddyanne posting) that they wish Scotland did have their independence, then you can hardly blame them.

TerriBull

"If you feel more English why not go back home" maybe that comment illustrates the difference between the Scots who simply want their independence, such as you Alegrias, which many of us in England understand, and the small minority of Scots who want their independence and have a visceral loathing of England and the English and simply can't hide that.

Paddyanne has frequently been told on this forum that the English would be delighted to get rid of Scotland. She rarely rises to the bait.

I forgive her absolutely for her 'English go home' comment.

Janey Godley says a lot of things that Nicola Sturgeon must be thinking. They are recognisable because everyone else is thinking them.

Oopsminty

Grannynannywanny

Oopsminty yes Nicola Sturgeon has openly admitted she is a big fan of Janey Godley’s voiceovers.

Thanks for that, Granannywanny

Good to know that she improves!

Approves I should say! Far too early for me to be posting ;-)

Grannynannywanny

Oopsminty yes Nicola Sturgeon has openly admitted she is a big fan of Janey Godley’s voiceovers.

Thanks for that, Granannywanny

Good to know that she improves!

Janey is a national treasure. Remember the woman outside Trump Turnberry a few years ago with the placard saying "Trump is a ****"? That was Janey. Not great political debate, but even the policemen had to laugh

Oopsminty yes Nicola Sturgeon has openly admitted she is a big fan of Janey Godley’s voiceovers.

Just watched the Godley clip. So clever. And what’s nice is that it is sympathetic to NS.

Jane Godley makes me adore Nicola Sturgeon

Has Nicola made any comment about these Godley clips?

"If you feel more English why not go back home" maybe that comment illustrates the difference between the Scots who simply want their independence, such as you Alegrias, which many of us in England understand, and the small minority of Scots who want their independence and have a visceral loathing of England and the English and simply can't hide that.

Baggs

Jane Godley on the Ferrier episode

The Daily Mail - "is she getting burnt as a witch? " ?

paddyanne although we agree on Scottish independence it's absolutely not acceptable to say IF you feel more English why not just go back home. Imagine an English person saying that to a Scot. I'd be outraged, and it works both ways.

That's not what independence is about.

Jane Godley on the Ferrier episode

You dont LOSE your heritage ...thats patently nonsense.Look at the migrants from Scotland worldwide who carry their heritage with them...and celebrate it .If you want to remain English in Scotland that surely shouldn't mean that the rest of us must be tied to England any more than America or Canada is tied to Scotland simply because some of their population was born somewhere else.That is ridiculous .
Scotland was an Independent country for centuries it should be again.We haven't done well under English rule...well if you believe GERS we haven't and poverty levels are worsening not improving under WM. Devolution gives us only control of a tiny amount of our powers.To improve OUR country we need full control .59 Scottish MP's can be outvoted by London Mp'S ...That means there is NO democracy in britain.Its English rule ..if you cant see that you need to give your head a wee wobble .59 out Of what
650? That was never democracy its dictatorship .

On the other hand IF you feel more English why not just go back home.I knowmany immigrants who call themselves new scots and their allegiance is to Scotland not WM.

Yes, that’s the issue, Alegrias. Maybe dual nationality would suit some. It isn’t what I want for myself.

My son lives in London and he is similarly conflicted. He doesn’t want to discard his Scottish side (he was born as far north as you can be on the mainland!) but neither does he want to lose his English heritage.

He has come across a number of Scots-born people in London who feel the same way and they would all like a vote in any future referendum.

NS did get quite a bit stick for originally supporting her Chief Medical Officer, so not surprising that she’s getting tough this time.

Oh, hang on, the light's just gone on SueDonim...

Is it that if/when Scotland gets independence, you will be an English person in an independent Scotland. And Varian will be a Scottish person in England?

I can see that this would be an issue for some people, but if the majority of people in Scotland want to have an independent country, it's something we'd have to find a solution for. Dual nationality?

That's ok though SueDonim, nobody's going to make you be Scottish if you don't want to be, you could stay English. Just like nobody made you be Nigerian.

What am I missing?

Sorry, I meant to highlight Alegrias in my post.

I am British and Scottish and I do not want to be told that I am a foriegner in my own country.

Exactly, Varian.

I'm not sure what you mean by being told you are a foreigner in your own country, but despite what some try to pretend, Scotland will always welcome the ones who want to be Scottish.

But I have no desire to be Scottish, Alegrias. I am British first, English second. If I were to become Scottish, whatever that means, I would then be of a different nationality from one of my children and I do not desire that, either. I already have an identity, as do they, and I don’t wish to change it.

Living in a country doesn’t necessarily make you of that country. I lived in Nigeria for five years. No way would I claim to be Nigerian. As my mother says, living in a barn doesn’t mean you’re a horse.

I would want to apologise, resign, and hide myself away for a good while.

But if you know that the decision you took was stupid, has made your colleagues in the Party look ridiculous, you've undermined all the advice that has been given out to the rest of the population and you've heavily criticised someone else for doing a similarly stupid thing and demanded his resignation; what, apart from sheer arrogance, is making her hang on?

Totally agree Chewbacca.