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Trump throwing his toys out of the pram

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suziewoozie Thu 08-Oct-20 13:48:09

Won’t do a virtual debate - should be empty chaired. Good news

Elegran Thu 07-Jan-21 13:20:35

It is just as well that his red nuclear button doesn't instantly fire missiles, but alerts those who do fire them. There is a chance that they will pause for a few seconds to find out what is really happening.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 07-Jan-21 13:15:13

Let’s hope that those who defended Trump including those on this forum, now finally begin to understand Trumps white supremacy beliefs and Nazi connections.

It is noticeable that our government, whilst deploring the mobs insurrection has not criticised Trump.

Nezumi65 Thu 07-Jan-21 13:13:39

Trumpocracy in the U.K.

bylinetimes.com/2020/10/26/trumpocracy-in-the-uk-government-links-with-steve-bannon-and-the-mercers/

Pippa22 Thu 07-Jan-21 13:13:22

Trump can’t use Twitter or Facebook but can press the button to end the world.

Casdon Thu 07-Jan-21 13:09:51

The wind of change is definitely in the air at last, it will be very interesting to see what the repercussions will be here as well as in the USA.

Nezumi65 Thu 07-Jan-21 13:06:33

Lemongrove - have you not seen the links between our current administration & the Trump administration? There are many.

Even Trump called Johnson ‘Britain Trump’.

They have many of the same backers.

I think this should concern people tbh.

Oldwoman70 Thu 07-Jan-21 13:06:27

I'm another who is puzzled by the lack of security which allowed the "protesters" to get into the building. I have never been a supporter of Trump (he scared me witless) but accepted he had been democratically elected by the American people - now his supporters should accept the same for Biden

I assume the Inauguration will be protected by the Secret Service which will, hopefully, mean a higher level of security.

PippaZ Thu 07-Jan-21 13:06:24

Re comments about the mention of Hitler:

"Donald Trump reportedly owned a copy of Adolf Hitler’s speeches and kept them in his bedside cabinet.

A 1990 Vanity Fair article about billionaire businessman stated that Mr Trump’s then wife Ivana, said her husband owned a copy of “My New Order” – a printed collection of the Nazi leader’s speeches.

Marie Brenner, the article’s author, wrote: “Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler's collected speeches, 'My New Order', which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed."

That may or may not be true of course but it is not unreasonable, with Trumps "base" being largely comprised of white supremacists, to consider what drives him politically.

Lucca Thu 07-Jan-21 13:05:44

Rhinestone thank you for your post.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 07-Jan-21 13:02:04

Before we get too superior, our Prime Minister (chosen by fewer than 160,000 members of the Conservative Party) suspended the elected legislature when it became inconvenient to him.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 07-Jan-21 12:57:23

Reminder

There isn’t a cigarette paper between Trump and Johnson

Biden.

Buttonjugs Thu 07-Jan-21 12:57:09

@Luckygirl I agree with you wholeheartedly.

lemongrove Thu 07-Jan-21 12:56:08

It suits some left wingers agendas to try and claim that the UK and the government in the UK here is far right/fascist, all total nonsense.
I understand they have had a hard few years, Brexit being honoured, the Labour Party getting the worst results in a GE since the 30’s and Corbyn consigned to the dustbin of history,
But for goodness sake!
Trump and his Republican friends will soon be gone, and the sooner the better, the man is a maniac, but the UK is absolutely nothing like the US, either their leader, his friends and supporters and there is no comparison.

Alioop Thu 07-Jan-21 12:53:00

Stupid idiot of a man. Get them all fired up and sit back with that stupid grin of his and watch the hit the fan. He's dangerous and needs locking up!

Elegran Thu 07-Jan-21 12:50:54

It needs Trump to do something that his supporters see as clearly unhinged and showing that he is not the saviour of America that he is boasting himself to be. I don't know what it would take - running butt-naked through the snow firing a machine gun at a crowd of his followers and calling on the devil to reward him and those he had recruited for doing his Satanic Majesty's work so loyally?

Rhinestone Thu 07-Jan-21 12:49:14

As an American who spent the day horrified, I have never been so embarrassed and scared at the same time.
Trump is a showman who has riled people up for four years. He’s a little man who seeks revenge and spite on anyone who doesn’t do what he says. He and his son incited the riots yesterday. No it wasn’t a protest, it was domestic terrorism. I have been to the capitol many times and there was always security. The police could not handle it as they did not have enough help. Why? They knew that Trump had a rally? He told us that things were going to happen on the 6 th. And why wasn’t that building more secure to begin with? Why wasn’t the glass reinforced? Why didn’t the police appear to be more forceful? What I heard was that, since police had been too forceful all year with other minorities they were afraid to do the same. I say that’s nonsense.
Trump has not had one punishment for his crimes against our country. He has been allowed to do and say as he pleases fueling the fires of hate . Everyone fears him. He asks people to do questionable things. He is a bully, a narcissist, and a psychopath. People elected him because he wasn’t a politician and he has done NOTHING but wreck havoc on our country. He has murdered people with his apathy to the virus, and his words that incite hate and violence. Why? Because he lost an election.
But democracy won last night and in two weeks we will have another president.
And to the person who said Americans are right wingers, I say rubbish. Biden would have never been elected if that was true.
He has a lot of experienced and good people to help him get us out of the mess we are in . I don’t envy him at all. But the mad king will be gone. I’m sure you all remember George.

CarlyD7 Thu 07-Jan-21 12:45:38

Trump's aim is to create Chaos. Why? What we have to remember is that Donald Trump owes millions of dollars to Russian banks (he admitted it himself before he ran for office) and who controls Russian banks - Putin. There's long been talk about how the Russians infiltrated social media to get him elected. And do we remember their "secret meeting" during the 2018 G-20 Summit when only Trump, Putin and their interpreters were allowed to be present, and no transcript provided of what was discussed?? (There have been rumoured to have been 4-5 other such meetings). When you remember that Putin's No 1 aim is to create Chaos in the West - that's what the orange baby has been doing, and that's what he's still doing now, and will keep doing even when he's not longer POTUS. Then it all makes sense (in his twisted world).

Whitewavemark2 Thu 07-Jan-21 12:16:38

Biden

Make no mistake, you couldn't slide a cigarette paper between the populist form of Trump's & Johnson's politics. Biden has described Johnson "as a physical & emotional clone of Donald Trump."

grandtanteJE65 Thu 07-Jan-21 12:07:44

The really worrying thing is where does the USA go from here?

Trying to stop Trump by either deposing him as president isn't going to make his supporters realise that the man is probably clinically insane. They will just see him as a martyr and a victim of the lies and "missing votes"

Letting him remain in power and not impeaching him either while he is still president or after the 20th leaves the way wide open for him to stand for President in four years' time!

Nice thought, ist it?

MaizieD Thu 07-Jan-21 12:01:55

Good heavens. This from October 2020.

Boris Johnson is facing growing condemnation for an “appalling” Tory alliance with neo-Nazi and anti-Muslim parties across Europe, as a Conservative peer reveals how he has refused to act.

The extraordinary pact sees the party’s MPs sitting alongside the “heirs of Mussolini” in Italy and an Estonian party that celebrates its wartime collaboration with Hitler, among other far-right groups in the Council of Europe.

Yet, Lord Balfe reveals, his repeated attempts to persuade the prime minister to take action have been rebuffed – as he was told it was going on “a long way away and no one understands it ”.

Too right. Johnson and his following depend on us not being alert to, or interested in, these things.

Instead, the peer was kicked out of the European Conservatives Group for protesting to No 10 after the group “invited in” the far-right so-called Democratic Alliance, he said.

“It’s appalling,” Lord Balfe told The Independent, “this group contains virtually every video nasty in the book and we should not be mixed up with them.”

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-tory-neo-nazi-anti-islam-hitler-conservative-party-b1254794.html

Fascism could never happen here, of course... hmm

Whitewavemark2 Thu 07-Jan-21 11:59:02

The Nazi party was in full view yesterday

Whitewavemark2 Thu 07-Jan-21 11:56:57

Remember the grief and foul rhetoric Sadiq Khan had to tolerate after calling Trump out for what he is - a facist - before his visit to London.

His character judgement was spot on.

seadragon Thu 07-Jan-21 11:48:39

Kandinsky

Thing is - these divisions in American society didn’t start the moment Trump was elected - they’ve been there for ever. yes he hasn’t helped, but locking him up & throwing away the key will not make everything wonderful.
There is no answer, if there was they’d never be any conflict anywhere ever.
Obama was supposed to be the 2nd coming.
What went wrong?

People seem to have forgotten that Obama not only inherited a pile of problems from the Bush legislation, but the 2008 financial crash was happening literally as he was being inaugurated. The fact that the Democrats did not have a majority in Government meant that he was blocked by Republicans with much that he tried to do. Despite all that, he was re-elected and served a full second term. He and his wife did many things that moved me greatly and some that I disagreed with, especially the viewing of the assassination of Bin Laden... The contrast between him and Mr Trump is mind blowing...

MayBee70 Thu 07-Jan-21 11:48:06

Various Republicans-seem to be resigning etc. Worried about their political future imo. Didn’t criticise him when he was in power did they. Not sure what Pence will do. Either way you’d hope his political career is over too. Bit too late to become the good guy now imo.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 07-Jan-21 11:44:32

A politician who consistently refused to criticise Trumps actions and behaviour

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